Maui Forest Fire: We need to change the Global Warming narrative

As of this moment, the official toll is approaching 100 dead and over 1000 missing. Is it possible casualties could be in the four digits. Sounds unlikely but there is no way to know that at this point. But the possibility is chilling.

Scientists have been careful to not attribute specific weather-related events to Global Warming. But striving for absolute correctness may be costing lives.

Forest fires, record heat, stronger hurricanes, floods, droughts, .... Although it's technically true that any of these events can occur, and has occurred in the past, independently of global surface temperature increase due to AGW, the fact is that ALL these events happening almost at the same time is what scientists have been warning us about for decades.

And it's only going to get worse. Of course, we might have an uncharacteristically "qujiet" year or two in the near future. And science denialists will latch into these to forward their pseudoscience. But AGW is also not about one particular year. It's about the tendency that we are CLEARLY seeing of natural disaster after natural disaster.

Let me make it clear once again, that this thread is not about discussing AGW Science. The fact that the Earth has been warming for over a century DUE to human activity has been scientific consensus for three decades. There is no sense debating this because it's unlikely it can now be reversed (at least not within the lifetime of anybody reading this). The window of opportunity expired somewhere between 5 and 10 years ago. But it CAN be mitigated. Or, at least, not make it way worse. If you feel the urge to debate science, please open your own thread. THIS thread is to point out that the policies in administrations from EITHER party have not gone far enough. And events like the Maui Forest fire is just another event that, if we are to save lives, we just need to STOP trying to abide by excessive correctness, and start ACTING.

Maui is Global Warming. So are this record heat wave, floods, droughts,... we have seen this year. As will tomorrow's next natural tragedy, whatever that may be.

The Green New Deal, and similar proposals, are not a solution. They're just a roadmap as to what needs to be done. How, when, by whom... that's what we need to be figuring out.

 

Its a lost cause man. The majority of it is from manufacturing plants/factories and those massive ocean ships that transport stuff across the globe. It needs to be a global initiative. A REAL one, not "OK China, we'd really love if you cleaned up your act by the year 2060"

 

Don’t worry, Biden’s all over this.

Biden admin to spend $1.2 billion to VACUUM sky of carbon dioxide

President Joe Biden's administration is planning to spend $1.2 billion in order to vacuum carbon dioxide out of the air.

Granholm, on Thursday, told reporters that these "projects are going to help us prove out the potential of these next-generation technologies so that we can add them to our climate crisis fighting arsenal."

She described the projects as "giant vacuums that can suck decades of old carbon pollution straight out of the sky."

https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-admin-to-spend-1-2-billion-to-vacuum-sky-of-carbon-dioxide

 

Not a bad price if it actually works. How many billions did he send to Ukraine already?

 

Unequivocally. And also a confluence of factors combining (like high winds) to made it so destructive.

 

These threads are so amusing. So, a hurricane blows off the coast of Hawaii... Winds blow, A fire starts, and the state of Hawaii fails, miserably, to protect the citizens. So, instead of blaming these failures on just those folks who so miserably failed, the obvious culprit is, blame global warming. Even though, temps on Maui are seasonally appropriate, moisture this year is on average, etc.... But hey, it can't just be a miserable failure of the state of Hawaii and their emergency management folks, this has to be a "global failure" something that those incompetent boobs cannot have controlled, because it's "global" and they can't manage it... It's laughable.. if it weren't so serious because so many folks who actually were relying on the emergency management folks in Hawaii to do their actual jobs and protect them, the public from things like fires.

Some striking things here. Not a single warning horn sounded. Not one. Why not? They test the Tsunami warning system like every day? or weekly at the same time every week? And folks know how to respond. And yet, not a single warning was issued by the super professional folks at the Hawaii Emergency management....

And, who knows, what actually started this fire. It certainly wasn't global warming. And yet, instead of fixing the problems of the state of Hawaii, we must endure the lashing out and gnashing of teeth as we have to watch the usual suspects (even though Obama's house is still sitting mere feet from the ocean) we are expected to stop driving cars, give up our civil liberties etc so a few democrats in Hawaii don't have to feel bad about the miserable jobs they did and the people who died because of it.

 

Yup, something stinks here. Way too many casualties for this sort of thing. The system failed them

 

Show me the study where consensus is proved. Not a survey of scientific papers, but an actual survey of scientists themselves.

By the way, the Maui fire was due to a combination of factors. A nearby hurricane tightened the pressure gradient which increased the winds. There was near draught conditions. The failure of power companies to properly prepare for high wind conditions which resulted in numerous electrical fires due to downed power lines. None of those can be attributed to climate change. It was simply a bad combination of factors which could have occurred anytime.

 

With that kind of destruction I’m surprised there weren’t more fatalities.

 

I'm not an expert in this kind of thing so perhaps you are right, but with all that water surrounding them, if they received proper warning I feel like they could have just got on some boats

 

Sadly, few have a genuine concern for this issue. We don't need the government to tell us how to reduce our carbon footprint. People are just not willing to give up their single occupancy vehicle and their animal products.

 

This had nothing to do with a carbon footprint, single occupancy automobiles or animal products.

 

So what human activity are we discussing?

 

What is sad is to blame it on global warming and AGW. A combination of factors occurred at the same time which could ahve occurred anytime, global warming, AGW or not.

What many of you might not realize that there are near desert conditions on the Hawaiin islands. People tend to look at them as moist rainforests. That is simply not true. The islands tend to have rain forests on the windward sides and desert conditions on the lee side of the mountains within a few miles of each other. The fires on Maui occurred in those mostly typically dry regions.

 

I live in the rural south. It has rained pretty steady for a long time. The jungle is approaching. If we have another drought like we had a few years back it will be hard to stop a wildfire. And we have fire lanes and other controls for fire prevention.

 

interesting, "It will essentially be a process where hydrogen pulled from carbon dioxide will be used to fuel hydrogen energy plants. "

hope it works

 

That would be interesting because CO2 does not contain hydrogen.

 

Yes! High winds due to a distant hurricane which might have been weaker, had it not been for the warm surface temperatures caused by Global Warming.

 

not into the science of it, so do not know, but seen this

"Carbon capture system turns CO2 into electricity and hydrogen fuel"

https://newatlas.com/hybrid-co2-capture-hydrogen-system/58145/

this is the one I am still betting will be used in the end

 

It was due as much to the strong high pressure to the north as it was to the hurricane a thousand miles away.

 

That is an ignorant statement, at best. They might use CO2 in the process, but it does not turn CO2 into hydrogen fuel.

I would be suspicious of any article which says that.

 

Unfortunately we DO need the government to tell us to reduce our carbon footprint. But, that's only a minor aspect. More relevant than that is that we need the government to tell industries and private companies to reduce theirs.

 

If human activity can be blamed for this it’s because of a lack of precautions implemented by the local power company. It has nothing to do with wing ex occupancy vehicles or consuming animal products.

 

are you referring to cat and dog toys?

 

What?