MGTOW is as bad as RadFem

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    it was an error in posting my apologies I tried to catch them but I don't always.
    so thank you for acknowledging that feminists fight for unequal rights because if they're not fighting for the right for men to be able to kill her baby in the womb but they are fighting for the right of women to kill their baby in the womb then that's not fighting for sexual equality. And that was my point.

    the two people that took to create the child.

    if it's his asinine and ridiculous as you say then maybe you can explain how advocating for more rights for women does not equate to Supremacy.


    I'm repeating this I am not talking about an embryo I am talking about a fetus. A fetus is not comparable to a tree. Gestation of a tree happens outside. So once it breaks out of the acorn it's now a tree.
    So the second is zygote start to split it's now a fetus.

    again with the straw man fallacy. A bank can deny anybody which means both men and women loans for whatever reason they wish.

    And then we had the sub prime lending crisis.
    nobody that means men women gay people straight people black people Asian people do not have the right to borrow money.

    if you can show me in the Constitution where it says you have the right to attend a military academy I would be delighted.

    If you can't the right doesn't exist.

    well not that it matters but I'm homosexual I said that before but it's okay. Most women don't identify as feminist. So would you consider most women self-loathing? I would consider that misogynistic. It actually affirms a position that I once stated I don't know on this for him but feminists are simply misogynistic women.

    the right to opt out of Child Support whether that means killing the baby in the womb or not that's the right women have that men do not. The right to not have to sign up for the draft.

    I do I deeply do. I am jealous of the connection that women have with children that they give birth to. And if it was something that I could do I would do it in a heartbeat.

    I am not the least bit ashamed to admit that.

    I would also like that if I was to work around children that people wouldn't desulme that I'm a child molester. That is a privilege women have. I would have liked it that when my partner and I took in his 12 year old little brother that's people wouldn't automatically assume we were just wanting to have sex with him. That is a privilege women have.

    The list goes on. So if feminism is all about the equality of sexes where the hell is advocating for this sort of thing?

    I know about the law if you don't want to believe that I do I could care less. And if you want to pretend that my statements equate to contempt for women be my guest.

    I honestly think that's b*******. Generally Women don't report rape because they may feel ashamed they may have felt that no one would take them seriously or perhaps they're afraid of the rapist reciprocating.

    But I don't think they're sitting in their homes saying "Polydectes, he's this guy that lives in Texas that thinks that people should be considered innocent until proven guilty so I I can't report my rape."

    That is weapons-grade bolonium

    so does every single person on the planet that is a witness or a plaintiff in a trial.

    It is written in the Constitution that an accuser has the right to see the person accusing them.

    That isn't me I'm not 400 years old I didn't write the Constitution.

    Your complaint is with the 6th Amendment.

    I doubt that statistic.

    no I actually recognize that.

    The sixth amendment feels sorry for the accused.

    If you want to repeal the Bill of Rights you have to elect people to Congress to do it.

    The law is the law and there is a way it can be changed. I think feminism's influence is waning.
     
  2. Renee

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    I wish I knew how to break it up like you so so I’ll just bullet point

    —-Your argument is so silly about women not fighting for equality because they want a choice to do what they want with their bodies.It doesn’t even make sense because only women can get pregnant. Perhaps it would be OK with you if women decided who can and cannot have a vasectomy. You seem to think equality means the same...it doesn’t, how can a man have the same rights with pregnancy?

    ——- most abortions are done in the first trimester when it is usually less than an ounce with no neural connections To continue the analogy it would be like an acorn sprouting a root and you calling it a tree,

    —— a bank cannot turn down a woman ONLY because she is female...And that was in the constitution that you so treasure. But then we had amendments
    Of course they can turn down anyone because of reasons connected to the loan. And it’s cute how your blaming the sub prime problem on women.

    —- So you were justifying that a military Academy that I pay taxes to support should be able to deny people strictly because of their gender. Again you give that silly implication that I am saying they should accept all women.And you obviously believe that they should be able to deny all women admission because after all it isnt in the constitution

    —- would it be fair of me to accuse the LBGTQ community as haters of straight people? Do you blame those people for wanting equal treatment as getting “special rights“ Maybe you should go back in the closet like the good old days

    —- so you are blaming women for not being suspected of sexual abuse of children. Is it our fault because it is man who mostly sexually abuse people? Don’t blame women because men are viewed as predators, blame the men who are mostly the predators. I guess I can say that women are not treated equally because we’re not viewed as sexual predators . That just isn’t fair! I know several male gay couples who were able to foster and then adopt children. I also know a gay couple who had a surrogate. Living in Greenwich village we were much more tolerant, In my sex Ed class, homophobia was rampant and one girl bravely spoke about her two fathers whom she lived with and changed the attitude. She was awesome

    —-Interesting how you don’t believe the statistics of sexual assault on women. But I wouldn’t expect you to. Perhaps you should tweet ..#me Too.
    And as I said it’s because of men like you who believe as you do that women don’t report it. We are not believed.You just made that very clear.

    —-So you think the feminist movement is waning. Geez funny I heard that in the 70s, the same whining . And look what has happened! And all these women speaking out against sexual harassment and sexual abuse is hardly an illustration of waning, but rather gaining strength and speaking out
     
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    I don't mind explaining at all. The text you want to respond to in this case if you wanted to respond to a clump of my text, before it you would type A bracket, one of these [ than type the word quote in all caps and then a closing bracket ]

    After the text you type the opening bracket [ than a slash like this / then you type the word quote in all caps and then a closing bracket ]

    we aren't talking which women can or can't have their tubes tied which is equivalent to a vasectomy.

    I don't care how small it is it's still murder to me.

    a bank should be able to turn down anybody they want for any reason you're not entitled to their loans.

    I didn't say any of that b*******. I said you have no right to go to the military academies.

    first the LGBT community is not synonymous with feminist. Feminist are a tiny tiny minority made up of men and women that support an ideology. Second women get better than equal treatment.

    I don't blame one sex for anything. First that pits men against women which is a waste of time and gets absolutely nowhere.

    And I'm glad you admit that not being seen as a predator or threat is a female privilege.

    I see no proof. It's just a wild ass claim.

    Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    I also find it to be quite outlandish.

    I still think that's b*******. I figured the biggest reason women don't come forward is because of Shame and the second biggest reason is because they fear repercussions from their attacker.

    If you were women identify as feminists today then ever before.

    And what has happened is retards have started complaining about nonsense because they have nothing left to complain about.

    And once again I seriously doubt that the same people shrieking about men spreading their legs on a train and free bleeding have done a damn thing to help women come forward with allegations of sexual assault.

    So I look at what happens the popularity and strengths of feminism drops and like a cornered animal they attack quite stupidly and take claim for things that they have no hand in.
     
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    There are quiet mgtow men. We don't have blogs, or youtube channels. We don't hate on women. We go about our lives in a free manner and we are in a place where we, as men, do not have to be married, or in a relationship. We do not have to find validation through partnerships with females, or the customary legal binding agreements. Women are nice, relationships are nice, but these things do NOT have to be the center of a mans life.
     
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    [/QUOTE


    Well we have to disagree..you can’t murder somethingh

    a bank should be able to turn down anybody they want for any reason you're not entitled to their loans. [/QUOTE]

    Would it be ok if the reason a bank turned you down was because you’re gay? No other reason? Well, again we have different values. I don’t support discrimination. I guess it’s ok for a restaurant to deny black people a table, after all they can turn away people.

    I didn't say any of that b*******. I said you have no right to go to the military academies.[/QUOTE]

    Why does a woman have no right to go to a military academy? She has the same right as a male...necessary qualifications


    first the LGBT community is not synonymous with feminist. Feminist are a tiny tiny minority made up of men and women that support an ideology. Second women get better than equal treatment.[/QUOTE]

    Whoever said they were synonymous? And women fighting for equal rights is a “tiny minority ?? Are you serious? How so women get better treatment? Better treatment is having access to power. Check out all the GOP women in congress.

    And I'm glad you admit that not being seen as a predator or threat is a female privilege. [/QUOTE]
    it it’s offset by men having privilege to pee standing up.

    I see no proof. It's just a wild ass claim

    Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    I also find it to be quite outlandish.

    I still think that's b*******. I figured the biggest reason women don't come forward is because of Shame and the second biggest reason is because they fear repercussions from their attacker.[ QUOTE]
    You see no proof? I guess women are all liars. And you are right about why they don’t come forward but that has nothing to do with studies....legitimate studies. I was assaulted , didn’t come forward, but am a statistic. I find it amazing that you don’t understand women being sexually victimized. Of course gay men are never victims of homophobia....the stats are lies.


    And once again I seriously doubt that the same people shrieking about men spreading their legs on a train and free bleeding have done a damn thing to help women come forward with allegations of sexual assault.
    [/QUOTE]

    Ya know I I am beginning to doubt that you’re a gay man, I bet you think the gay ,movement did nothing to bring gay men out of the closet and allowing them to marry etc
    So I look at what happens the popularity and strengths of feminism drops and like a cornered animal they attack quite stupidly and take claim for things that they have no hand in.[/QUOTE]

    The word feminist has been bastardized by misogynistic men for as long as I can remember..ya know like feminazis etc. We ignored you and look at our gains. I have to assume you’re much younger than i.

    I did what you suggested but it didn’t come out green...so I just bolded my response
     
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    My apologies. You have to type "QUOTE" in brackets [ ] at the beginning with no slash / before the text you wish to quote as well. Making a sandwich where the word "quote" is the bread and my post is the peanut butter and jelly.

    Okay, not murder. But killing. Can you agree its killing?

    There are other banks.

    Well I bet you support discrimination against people that can't pay loans.

    Should be.


    I agree women and men have the same right to go to military academies. As I said and clarified now twice.

    NOBODY Meaning BOTH WOMEN AND MEN have no right to attend any military academy.

    Why do you keep dodging that statement?

    Why did you use it as a similie?

    No feminism is.
    Power? Congress? What a load of crap. Just because a woman is in political office doesn't mean women have power. It means one woman does.
    Women can't pee standing up?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.wikihow.com/Urinate-Standing-Up-as-a-Female?amp=1

    Claims or alligations are not proof.

    What studies?

    I can't. First, I'm not a woman. Second I've never been sexually abused or assulted. However I do think alligations should be taken seriously.

    If you insist.

    Meh, go ahead. I can't prove it.

    Well, yeah actually it did. It encouraged young gay men to come out and the more they did the more people realized they weren't out to get them or their children.

    Feminism did not encourage women to come out as women. Its observable.

    I think it was equally bastardized by misanthropic women. The gains? What gains? Feminism is declining.

    My apologies, my explanation wasn't adequate. I explained further at the top of this response.
     
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    I will stick to bold text
     
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    So it's dead?
    Banks don't have to give anybody loans.

    People not agreeing with you is self loathing?

    I Was pointing out discrimination that was common.

    They are. Feminism is useless in that regard.

    You did get all butt hurt at my joke about feminists being blue haired ugly shrieking land whales.

    That strawman is your brain child.
    They have been equal for fourty years. All its doing now is shrieking about nonsense like the make believe wage gap and other manufactured outrages.

    Was all about? Who cares? My complaint is with the stupidity that feminism is freaking out about now. I don't really need a history lesson.
    More history? *yawn

    So all these things habe happened? So feminism is useless?
    Because someone criticizes feminist ideology they hate women?

    Again feminism isn't women.

    Well, not exactly I'm saying they have achieved it. The things fought for in the past are granted.

    Its over. Stop manufacturing nonsense to shriek about.
     
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    I'm not sure where you live but in Canada women are far being nice which is why the nice guys disappeared or turned into bad boys. Women are stuck dating or hanging with the bad boys for a reason.
     
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    That's not the problem the problem is women coming to MGTOW and want to exploit us. Also Paul Elam who is an MRA has been attacking MGTOW with his crew.
     
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    No idea what a "ZEF" is but if it grows than its alive. It doesn't magically spring to life when its born.


    Blah blah blah, same strawman fallacies and personal attacks.
     
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    booo
     
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    ZEFs are zygote-embyo-fetus.

    Anybody that thinks as zygote is a living doesn’t know biology. And as you say blah blah blah same strawman fallacies is and personal attacks.Don’t cloak yourself in self righteous indignation, it just shows what a hypocrite you are
    Yikes I just cut my nails. They were growing so they were alive. I am a murderer
     
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    you just declare things that aren't true a zygote is alive.

    keep calling me names. That demonstrates how rational you are.
    so a zygote is a fingernail?

    Boy you sure got me on biology
     
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    I am very grateful to women who stand for men who suffer discrimination and abuse. The fact that some MGTOWs attack criticize women is inexcusable.

    For instance, Lauren Southern has done a lot of work to defend Freedom. For her work, she has suffered enormous abuse from SJWs.

    George Washington and Thomas Jefferson believed that All Humans are Created Equal. They established USA based on the principle of Freedom. People like Lauren Southern and Paul Joseph Watson continue to defend Freedom. Sadly, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson also had enormous character flaws unlike modern defenders of Freedom.
     
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    If they believed that all humans were created equal why were women and blacks denied the right to vote? Why would they not allowed to be part of the government? No they did not believe that all humans were created equal....white men had the rights and ability to deny others their rights
     
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    May I ask why does the Men's Rights Movement and MGTOW scare feminists and women so much? Most of us don't hate women its the simple case of most young men figuring out if I don't worry about being with a woman and being like my fathers generation I can spend my money and time on me just like a lot of women are doing focusing on their careers and ambitions. Many men figured out college is not worth it and don't need a good job just make enough for their needs so are opting to try something else after all you go work in Walmart say 28 hours and maybe do some odd jobs for cash with your van which you might live in you can get by well enough for awhile then might go to school or might do other things. If women don't find most desirable its not an issue in the life.

    I don't see the issues women don't need men and men don't need women, not really, as alternatives become available I'm convinced give most women a loyal dog and a smartphone and they will be happy and give a man his "friends and things the man is into" and they will be content. But alpha men and women and to a lesser extent beta men and women will reproduce and get married say 40% of the population kind of like the situation in Japan now with those of reproductive ages when the dust settles and the societal shifts finish in the US and other first world nations. This could be bad in the long run or good its hard to say right now IMHO.
     
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    you are really going to argue that a zygote is not tissue that a fetus is not growing? Something has to be alive to be growing one of the principal understandings of life.

    I find it amazing that you will pretend that a zygote where a fetus is nothing more than a brick to justify killing it.
    you will have to refresh my memory I don't remember calling you any names.

    so a person has to be a toddler to be alive so adults older children and infants aren't alive what about things like trees and puppies are these things not alive either you have some bizarre definition of life. An embryo that does mitosis a definite biological sign of life that is an absolute fact is somehow not life to you.

    Seems you need to go back to school.
     
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    Since I am a teacher I will give you an assignment...look up the word POTENTIAL... .if allowed to grow it will develop into a person. Sorry I don’t see something that something about 1/2 of an ounce with no neural connections alive. ..I don’t see an acorn with one root a tree,I don’t see cake batter a cake ..if allowed to develop they will..
    You want to personify a zygote...go ahead...and luckily you won’t ever be faced with the situation of wanting an abortion
    BY the way telling me to go back to school is Insulting. For someone so sensitive, you sure throw the barbs, have a great day...I’m at Johns Hopkins about to do a workshop. Hope abortion doesnt come up
     
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    So something has to be a person to be alive?

    Sorry but you see incorrectly.

    Does it hurt when you pull these strawmen out of your ass?
    I wouldn't want to kill a fetus.


    You clearly don't understand biology.

    Sensitive? I just point out ad hominem fallacies. When you make those you undermine your positing
     

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