MH17 shot down by Buk missile brought from Russia, say investigators

I will help you a little:

Such level of proofs doesn't cause laughter in you?

 

says nothing about Youtube.

 

These videos were provided more than once earlier. Here, above Billigcat directly writes about use of JIT of video from Makiivka. This video where elder blossoms. And that, it turns out, made a month before the accident. And this video is from YouTube.

About another video from Zuhres:

But this video filmed on July 5, according to the author himself. And moving on it Buk towards Ukraine.

 

I am not following this closely, but am curious
Do you agree that a buk missle downed the plane?
Do you agree that this missle ... with a high degree of certainty... came from either the rebels or the government?
Logically speaking, there would be no need for the government to deploy this weapon for defense against non existent threat of air attack
Logically speaking the rebels were subject to air attack and would be interested to have and use an air defense system

The only other potential explanation i can see is that the government wanted to create the illusion of an atrocity by the rebel forces

 

I have a few pages earlier in this topic in great detail described different versions and my attitude towards them.

But Ukrainian Buks were deployed in the area the 16 Jul 2014, day before the accident. It is objective evidence that television news from Ukraine itself. See from 04:47:

[video=youtube;Q3MomxNHnUA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MomxNHnUA[/video]

And it is clear that here, as again deployed the entire complex. And almost no one unfit for action launcher, in the application of accused rebels.

 

Youtube videos are not evidence

 

This is the official video Ukrainian news channel

And you have not said that yet another is evidence in this investigation

 

no, its Youtube video.

easily manipulated.

 

Again. This video is the Ukrainian side. In addition, published day before the crash. Do you think that Ukraine itself will spread accusing her materials, and even before the disaster?

I even feel sorry for you. Due to the fact that you have so carefully fenced off from inconvenient to you the truth in spite of all the facts. And you in this regard are very similar to all the modern West.

You did not say what else there is evidence against Russia, in addition to these videos. Besides, as it turns out, in some cases, clearly false.

 

the rebels shot down the plane by accident.

it was a mistake.

 

From where they had Buk? And where has got to then?

Why you don't admit a similar mistake for the Ukrainian army? Which (it is unambiguous) had in day of accident the deployed Buks in an accident zone?

 

when did I say Ukrainian military made no mistakes?

 

It seemed to me that you accuse rebels. You wrote about it above?

 

They relied on drawings from kindergarten, all know it.
Except western zombies of course


Stop your lies, all normal people know - the US has made this provocation. The US has big experience of such provocations - to kill civilians. Read the declassified American documents. The US so did several decades ago, 100% continue it now.

 

like these much correctly other potential explanation i can see is that the government which controls by CIA wanted to create the illusion of an atrocity by the rebel forces

 

It would seem that the entire world outside Russia understands and accepts Russian involvement in this situation. Between the complexity of operating the system used, the radio transmissions, and the blatantly obvious Russian movements within the region there is no longer any doubt regardless of the attempts by Russian propaganda to muddy the waters. Those pushing the Ukraine/U.S./ martian or whatever concept simply come off as foolish.

 

So, you wanna say the shootdown of MH17 was favourable politic move for Ukraine? Good point!

 

I can discover an important military secret - nobody in Russia thinks Russia is not involved at the war in Ukraine.

 

everyone on Russia knows that their military is involved in the war.

hundreds of Russian troops have died over the last 2 years, long before the involvement in Syria.

where did they die? Siberia? no, they died in Ukraine.

plus there is hard evidence of convoys of military tanks and trunks heading west into Donetsk, and other hard evidence of Russian military involvement in Donbas.

its now beyond dispute.

 

This is exactly what they did. Yutube and Facebook - the main sources of the "investigation".

 

prove it

 

Hundreds? Don't mix up Ukrainian illusions and the reality.
And no, there is no "hard evidence of convoys". Maskirovka works.

 

the reports of hundreds of Russian soldiers dead, comes from Russians inside Russia.


yes, the OSCE witnessed these convoys.

they are a good organization without a political agenda, but I suspect you will accuse them of "propaganda".

I know Stalin would.

 

Looks like you don't like to use primary sources, don't you ?

 

I win.