Microplastics health concerns

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's what we do, but there are times when that's not an option. The point here is that customary virtue signaling is really a step backward.
     
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    Plastics are never a step forward, unless they are biodegradable. Cleanup, cleanup, and more cleanup - is that factored into your equations?
     
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    Yes.
    "Of course, much play is made of the harmful disposal of plastic, but this is largely a waste management problem. There are plenty of ways to prudently recycle or dispose of plastic safely, but they come with some financial cost. If rich countries don’t want their plastic to end up in the oceans, they shouldn’t send it to poor countries who, out of sight, dump it in local rivers on their behalf. The scientists note that better disposal of plastics is an urgent challenge given the “threats to biodiversity and ecosystem health worldwide”."
     
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    This is just more fraud.
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    What steps are the plastic manufacturers taking to assure that their products are being recycled?
     
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    That is a community responsibility.
     
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    I worked for a brewery, and they owned a can recycling business as well. They were proud to make the claim that they recycled more cans than they produced. That's the way it should be. What makes you qualified to dictate moral responsibilities?
     
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    I'm not, but everywhere I've lived in the US waste removal has been a community responsibility.
     
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    Not a good model. Industry needs to take responsibility for their products, across the board. Remember "know when to say when". Breweries know this too well, and maybe that's why they are more inclined to be responsible.
     
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    And they are known to have hormone imbalancing effects, such as endocrine disruption and estrogen mimicry, especially when used in food packaging and cooking utensils. And they are incredibly resistant to decay- they don't break down very easily, even to the extent that recycled and purified wastewater will still contain micro/nanoplastics. I try to use glass and stainless steel for as much of my food prep as possible, and filter my drinking water. Even sleeping on and wearing synthetic materials can leech plastic chemicals into the body, both through breathed air and even skin contact. Its literally impossible to avoid all the sources of contamination in our modern environment. Though exposure can be substantially reduced, very likely to a point of negligible effect with sufficient diligence.

    I just finished a job cleaning and inspecting a pipeline that will be used to transfer treated wastewater back into the natural aquifer to replenish the dwindling local freshwater supply. I wonder how much thought was given to microplastic residue in this project... its still pending public approval, hopefully the local public is paying some attention to this.
     
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    This isn’t about carbon emissions and that may be a shock. This is about the health effects of microplastics and phthalates
     
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    We have seen a change here. Plastic bags are highly discouraged in my state so most bring their own, but of an inconvenience but no biggie. People ADAPT.
     
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    Why not return to "paper"
    with no plastic coat?
    How about biodegradable plastics?


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    No manufacturer (cars, clothing, furniture, etc.) has responsibility for disposal of their product after the end of its useful life.
     
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    ". . . Of course, much play is made of the harmful disposal of plastic, but this is largely a waste management problem. There are plenty of ways to prudently recycle or dispose of plastic safely, but they come with some financial cost. If rich countries don’t want their plastic to end up in the oceans, they shouldn’t send it to poor countries who, out of sight, dump it in local rivers on their behalf. The scientists note that better disposal of plastics is an urgent challenge given the “threats to biodiversity and ecosystem health worldwide”. . . . ."
     
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    It is a GLOBAL problem and it starts with cutting down use of plastics. There are plenty of ways we can do that nd some of it comes with changing habits. Just yesterday I was out with a Taiwanese friend eating at fund raiser selling hamburgers. The buns broke apart leaving the steak and salad to be tackled with bamboo knives and forks that were useless - my friend broke out chopsticks to finish her burger with whilst the rest of us just chanted the old mantra “finders were made before forks and agreed that although bamboo cutlery is annoying it is better than plastic pollution
     
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    I don't think they make totes big enough.
     
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    But they should and that should be factored in to the building of a product
     
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    Ummmm - what sort of tote do you use?
     
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    I don't use them. I use the shopping carts at the supermarket. I often fill two of them. Food shopping involves a 30 mile round trip for me. I only do it every week or two.
     
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    Okay I am going to use my language. We use (reuse-able) shopping bags to put the groceries into to take them IN the shopping cart TO the car where we lift them into the car then when we get home we lift them out of the car in the (reuse-able) shopping bags to take into the house
     
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    It's only a problem because of irresponsible use.
     
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    Why? It's beyond the manufacturer's control.
     
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    Good for you.
     

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