Military officers begin to speak out on the harm done by Sen. Tuberville's holds on promotions

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  1. signalmankenneth

    signalmankenneth Well-Known Member

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    This crackpot/idiot senator who never serve a day in the military is jeopardizing our nations security and military readiness with this stunt?!! The military is apolitical and this clownish little man who has no business being a U.S. senator is trying to make a political statement?!! Where is Mitch on this, frozen again?

    WASHINGTON (AP) — In the months since a single senator froze military promotions over the Pentagon’s abortion policy, the uniformed officers affected have been largely silent, wary of stepping into a political fray. But as the ramifications of Alabama Republican Sen. Tommy Tuberville’s freeze have grown, more of them are speaking out.

    This week, some of the military’s most senior leaders took the issue head on and voiced their concerns. They said the damage the holds will do to the military will be felt for years, as young talented officers decide they’ve had enough and choose to get out.

    “We’re on the fringe of losing a generation of champions,” Air Force Gen. Mark Kelly, the head Air Combat Command, told reporters this week at a defense conference in Maryland. Kelly said he’s talking to his junior officers, many with families, and they are “people who will take a bullet for the nation, the Constitution.” But when it comes to dragging their family through this, “there’s a red line.”

    One of the unusual things about Tuberville’s holds is he’s punishing uniformed personnel who had nothing to do with creating the administration policy he’s against.

    Uniformed military leaders typically avoid commenting on political decisions, not only because they don’t want to antagonize lawmakers who can block their future military promotions, but also because they don’t want to be seen as challenging civilian control of the military, a core tenet of U.S. government.

    But now even the Pentagon’s soon-to-be highest military leader is speaking out. Navy Adm. Christopher Grady, who currently serves as the military’s No. 2 officer as Joint Chiefs vice chairman, will simultaneously have to fill in as chairman starting Oct. 1 with the retirement of Gen. Mark Milley if his replacement, Air Force Gen. C.Q. Brown, can’t get confirmed in the next two weeks. Brown is also subject to Tuberville’s hold.

    “We need C.Q. Brown to be confirmed as the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs,” Grady said Wednesday at the Air and Space Forces Association conference.

    For younger officers who are stuck in limbo by the holds, “the fact that folks can’t plan for their moves or get their kids in school” is what is hurting them, Grady said. “There is a cumulative cost to this and we need to be very attuned to that.”

    In the last few years, there’s been a slew of political orders that have had a direct impact on the military. There was former President Donald Trump’s order that transgender personnel could not serve, and then the restoration of that service under the Biden administration, the mandate for COVID-19 vaccines and now the response to new state laws restricting access to abortion.

    “Some of the orders that are given by civilians to the military, that the military then has to carry out, can make the military seem political,” said Mark Harkins, a senior fellow at the Government Affairs Institute at Georgetown University. “If whatever the civilian control has asked them to do, if that order, that rule that they’re following is against what you believe, then you’re going to say they’re political.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/military-...042059951.html




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  2. Eleuthera

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    Oh jeeze, does this mean we won't have any more woke and trans flag officers? :lol:
     
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    The next step this administration needs to consider is refusing to support and/or consider moving any and all military installations in Alabama. At the very least, stop sending new people to those installations.

    There needs to be penalties to Alabama for this stance from their elected representative. This would be the least intrusive, and all perfectly legal.
     
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    And, never forget, the only reason that this Unqualified Moron is even in the Senate is because Jeff Sessions gave up a Safe Seat (that he could have held for life) in order to throw in with Trump and commit political suicide...
     
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    What a bunch of crybabies. The senate could bring these guys up for a vote one and a time if there were any that are that important. Tuberville is only stopping the promotions being all lumped together for one vote. The Senate is just too lazy to vote on these guys one at a time.
     
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    But very expensive, and guess who gets to foot the bill?

    I don't disagree on principle, but closing a base the size of Ft. McClellan and sending everyone to other bases would be a huge undertaking.
     
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    There are about 650 of them.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-S...lls-hundreds-of-military-leader-appointments/

    And all because Tommy wants the military to ban abortions. Who the **** does he think he is?
     
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    they are all retired and don't hold any public office. It is the same type of ad that the GOP uses when discussing democrats on certain policies. But this was done by a political action committee, in and of itself, and is well protected under the first amendment, freedom of speech.
     
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    There are about 650 of them now, and next month there will be even more. The Senate could actually get up at a decent hour, and go to work knocking out the most important confirmations.

    Or just be crybabies.
     
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    I admit, I don't know what you're talking about. Who's retired, and what public office are you talking about?
     
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    If you watch the actual ad and see the names of the people making those comments, they all say "Ret." in parenthesis in their name. Not a single one was in uniform when speaking but showed their official military photo from years past in said video. Thus, being retired and a general officer is not a violation of the UCMJ or the DoD regulations.

    Tuberville is blocking ALL promotions into the general officer corps. It is not a lump sum. And blocking them pretty much nullifies any vote, whether one by one or in a group. He is doing this because he does not like tha abortion policy the DoD instituted, Civilian authority over the military, which allows people in the military to take time off if they want to seek an abortion. Understand now?
     
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    Wait you are talking about that Vote Vets thing? That's simply propaganda and is irrelevant to the issue. I'm not clear what any of that had to do with my comment.
     
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    Not according to the OP who doubled down on the issue. He called it a "doomsday" politicking and was quite adamant about the ad.
     
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    Uh OK.
     
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    Well, I agree.. you probably couldn't hit the largest one[s), but I'm sure there are some smaller installations where certain units could be relocated without too much fuss.

    Not talking Nuclear option here, but more death by 1000 cuts.. just knowing your are willing to do something might cause Senator dumbass to think it over..
     
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    What a Jerk! The war machine needs its promotions!
     
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    Excellent it will save a little money at least.
     
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    Please do that. White southern boys have done most of the fighting and dying the past 40 years. With the nation facing the greatest recruitment crisis since dropping the draft, now is the time to purge the military of these scum. Then we will be in a perfect position to declare war on China and Russia. The heroes of the left can then step up to do the fighting and dying.
     
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    You’re in the wrong thread.
     
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    He doesn’t think he is anything — he knows he is a republican and this is all part of their plan to stack the military with loyalists so the next insurrection will be successful.

    He knows he will not be held accountable but rather celebrated by the individuals that have abandoned all democratic values.
     
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    Here are some inconvenient facts for you.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...al-demographics-report-upward-trend-in-numbe/

    If you search for us military demographics, you will see your mistake.
     
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    The DOD should change it's policies, then. It's time they put the nation's security ahead of their politics. They're soldiers. It's literally their reason for existing.
     
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    Actually this Tuberville tantrum exposing some of the weakness of Chuck Schumer and few of the Centrist democrat senators. These centrist democrats don’t want to change senate filibuster rule. Well in 2024 primary season many DEMS who are running for senate , either they will pledge to change this f$$$ unconstitutional rule or they will not be nominated.

    I don’t blame GOP, I blame Chuck Schumer and these centrist democrat for tolerating Tuberville tantrum.
     
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    Yea, I hear you, DOD , the Generals and Admirals and expert on National security, who spent their entire life defending this country should drop their policy and takes lesson about “National Security” advice from former Football Coach.

    And you want us to believe DOD is the one who is politicking this?
     
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