More than 84 million Americans expected to travel over winter holidays as cases surge

I suggest a compromise, yet also no more half measures. The whole 9 yards.

It has always been government policy in every state and city that WalMart stores are the safest location to go to avoid covid-19. If the government ordered all Americans to spend 2 weeks in WalMart stores - same 2 weeks, covid 19 would be completely eradicated. Everyone who came would be given a $5000 WalMart gift card when they got there - and told ONLY if the person doesn't leave the store they'll get a $5000 Amazon gift card when they final leave into a covid-19 free USA.

It would been necessary to have some military personnel if full biohazard suits including in helicopters with infrared to hunt down the few who refuse. Ordinary snipers could be used as it would only be rare that hellfire would be necessary.

WalMarts could be opened at all major airports that people from countries have to arrive at, quarantined for 14 days in the store. All foreign tourists also given a $5000 WalMart gift card, with government trained advisors to help them fill out their pathway to citizenship papers, application for SNAP, rent assistance, and a Medicare card. This would ban all of the hundreds of novel corona viruses from the USA forever - as long as this was continued forever.

Of course, it goes without saying that all cats, dogs and all other non-human mammals would have to be poisoned during the 2-week WalMart quarantine for homo sapiens since they can carry the virus too.

2 weeks, that's all it'd take.

 

It is like trying to keep out the flies with a chainlink fence.

 

Better to die alone than risk getting sick.

 

Yunno they locked down the UK tighter than a Bill Bruford snare drum, and look where they are today. You can't even **** in that country without a permit from the Queen herself.

 

This is utter and total BS. These are lies told by conspiracy theorists. If true, how do you explain that deaths by all causes are 350,000 in excess of a similar stretch last year?
Dear, I write death certificates. I know how to write them. Do an Advanced search here, with the terms Death Certificate and me as an author, and locate my various posts about it. I explain in detail why what you are saying is BS. Probably not intentional BS from you. You just believed in what these conspiracy theorists are saying, but you should try to learn the real information, and these posts will help you, if you care to search for them and read them.

 

Again, don't go by ONE study. Look at a meta-analysis. I published one, here.

 

Actually, I heard there's a bug going around?

 

The 6% comes directly from the CDC. And the CDC guidelines indicate that if a covid infection is present or suspected then that is the cause of death.

 

There is no study which has determined that masks slow the spread or protect the wearer.

 

Dear, I just posted 29 of them (post #57 above). Pay attention.

 

No. What the CDC said is that 94% of people who died of Covid-19 had co-morbidities. This is as expected. Given that Covid-19 tends to kill older people, most senior citizens do have co-morbidities. It doesn't mean that they didn't die of Covid-19. And no, there are no such CDC guidelines. Again, you are believing in conspiracy theories. The guidelines just talk about how to issue the death certificates in these cases.

Look, have you done like I suggested, and looked up my numerous posts on this? No, right? I don't feel like explaining it all again, but if you do want to look up my posts on this you'll learn a thing or two.

OK, I found three of my old posts for you. Read the first one then the two right below it:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...uld-i-vote-for.577079/page-20#post-1072010872

 

Yeah, I looked at it. It's nonsense. Made up numbers. Do I believe in all those countries they watched every person to see who was and wasn't wearing a mask? No. Are their other factors? Absolutely.

If masks and social distancing saved people the death rate in Florida would be 10 times that of California, New Jersey, New York and other extremely authoritarian/totalitarian Democratic Party run states - and it's not.

FACT: EVERY expert including Fauci all were insistent that if you wear a mask you are more likely to get infected. Only when it become profitable to politicize this did the same experts declared they all had always been lying. Why would I believe people who openly lied and now saying the opposite? Only a fool does that.

 

Most people don't wear them below their noses and most people don't touch them often and most people wash them regularly. Hence taking the whole population as a sample, masks reduce risk of infection.

 

Real world data does not support that conclusion.

 

Why are you ignoring post #57? Because it contradicts what you keep saying? You might want to read this (evidence from freaking 216 studies pooled together; these are field studies in the real world, not lab tests):

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

 

Here, read this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html
Again, deaths from Covid-19 are delayed by several weeks after exposure. We're NOW seeing the effects of Thanksgiving travel, and will see the effects of Christmas and New Year's in February.

 

Give us one study that proves that medical and cloth masks prevent the spread and protect the wearer. You cannot. There are none.

 

Where is the spike in fatalities? The daily rate actually trends down after TG.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

 

That's exactly right. Only 6% died from the Covid 19 virus only. The rest had very serious health issues. The virus was the "straw". The cause of death was the very serious health conditions.

 

You do not have one study that proves that medical and cloth masks prevent and protect. The CDC has stated that those types of masks do not protect. They do catch the larger droplets associated with coughing.

 

Are you capable of understanding English? Are you familiar with the concept of adjusted relative risk? Pray tell, when I show you 29 freaking studies saying that the adjusted relative risk for the WEARER of the mask falls to 0.18, that is, to 18% as compared to 100%, are you having trouble understanding that this is exactly the result that shows that masks do protect the damn wearer??? I have ALREADY published what you say I cannot show.

 

Huh, what? We have had 3,400 a day... never seen before. You don't think that this is a spike???

 

No. You obviously haven't read anything. Those were just co-morbidities not involved in the mechanism of death. I don't think you understand the concept. You probably didn't read my posts because I did explain them in simple, laymen terms, so if you still don't understand, you probably simply won't.

 

WTF???? ALL 29 studies I showed, say that masks prevent and protect. Do you understand the word "events" in these studies? Obviously you don't.
The CDC lied. They wanted to preserve masks for the medical community. We medical scientists protested; now they have retracted it, and now they do say that masks protect the wearer. It won't be the first nor the last time that THIS tainted version of the CDC publishes wrong information. Fortunately we have forced them to correct it.

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Look, debating with you is not fun. You are unable to understand death certificates, co-morbidities, infectious events, adjusted relative risks, anything my 40 years of professional experience in this field taught me. The gap in knowledge and understanding is just too HUGE for me to continue to waste my time with you. Have a nice and long life. Over and out.

 

Look at the actual data in the link I have provided.