He will not any words because your God does not exist to me. Get that? I am sick of reading your 'the world is coming to an end' opinion pieces. They are hardly relevant to the topic, which is abortion. Abortion has nothing to do with a God whom many people don't believe in. As for regretting things, you have had an abortion, so don't you think that you will be the one to have to explain yourself to God?
Makedde said…… H "e will not any words because your God does not exist to me. Get that? I am sick of reading your 'the world is coming to an end' opinion pieces. They are hardly relevant to the topic, which is abortion. Abortion has nothing to do with a God whom many people don't believe in." Of course He doesn't…but that does not mean He does in fact exist. You can't prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, no one can. And if the scriptures are correct…then who will miss out? I don't care if you are sick of what I say or not. I have the right to voice opinion…just like you do when you bash the people on here you hate…or can't stand. This is a debate site…is it not? See this is what I mean…people like you with your moral -less worldview…wanting to silence people you can't and won't tolerate. You just proved it. You are a moderator here who wants certain people to shut up. I can debate abortion without God you should know that….well. And for people who love God….He has to do with everything there is. And that fact make you nauseated…right? You tell me in the paragraph above….stop the God talk and then you engage me in God questions. LMAO Another point….most atheists love to talk about the god they reject…you find them especially in abortion threads…and any thread where they can spew their hatred out on people who love HIm. It is what you people do best. And this is what you missed or did not get. You should have got it you seem to lurk around in the abortion threads the most….I realized years later what I had done and asked Gods forgiveness. He knows my heart like no other and has forgiven me because I meant it, I repented like the scriptures say one must do when they realize their actions were evil and sinful. He has forgiven me. I asked Him into my life and now abortion is part of my testimony to show how loving God is and how He can change hearts. "I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine Own sake, and will not remember thy sins" (Isaiah 43: 25). Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. God saved me despite of my past. I had a change of heart. I think these verses show that God forgives…the sins do not matter anymore, not that He forgets them because that is part of His Deity..but he hides them from His site, they do not matter. That fact upsets you doesn't it?
And about me bringing up god and relating this to abortion. This is what I said that set you off. This upset you that much Makedde? I simply make an observation and you go nuts because it contains the word GOD. The post after this Junkieturtle goes off in a lengthy tirade .so why don't you address your anger his way. Or am I just your only target? LOL
In my opinion, it is not so much that we are living without God; but that we refuse to become Angels on Earth who have no need for the expense of Government.
But someone who was walking in the faith…would be an angel. You can't live the way of the world, be politically correct and care more about what man says than what God says. You stand on the Word, as the only Truth there is…and I don't think that most who claim to be Christian do this. One can't put government above God. Example. Obama claims to be a Christian. I can not judge his heart on any level. But I can judge his words and actions, and those go against Gods Word. He talked the other day about the Bible backing up his stance on homosexual marriage. The Word does not back this up…not in any way. So Obama is really raping what God said is His truth. Obama is making mans truth…above Gods. He does this with abortion as well. He says……follow your faith at home…but when you come to work…leave God at home. No believe can do this or they are not a believer. You don't turn faith on and off…to suit the company you are in. This is denial of God…and sin.
I am not well versed in your line of reasoning; what if we claim ethics instead of the subjective value of morals, for the sake of argument. Shouldn't Angels on Earth be more ethical rather than less ethical in any given situation?
I would hope you had at least a marginal care for your credibility. God does not allow you to make your own decisions, human have, with the exception of maybe slaves and young children, always been able to make their own decisions. I have no problem with people believing in God. I think it's silly, but a person's religious beliefs are really no concern of mine(just as my lack of belief in religion is of no concern to you) and not something I spend time thinking about...until they start using those beliefs to justify actions against other people. That's when I have a problem with them. If you got religion out of politics, most of my issues would disappear. Also, guess what. We had porn before the internet. We had marriages breaking up, or worse yet, bad or abusive marriages staying together. Children have been exploited far worse in the past than they are now. Fraud...well, didn't the snake trick the girl into eating the fruit? I'll agree with you on rap music, it's mostly trash. As for the amount of people who believe in God, where are the bulk of those people at? What kind of societies are they a part of, and how prevalent in science and education within those societies? I don't want to silence anyone. Never have, never will. Everyone's opinion is important in a society. I've also never claimed to be perfect either. This entire paragraph I quoted above is not even relevant to me except for your usual potshot at being pro-choice. If strawmen were currency, you'd be one of the richest in the land. I've never said to do anything just because it feels good. You make potshots at people you disagree with as well. So do most people on this forum and in real life. I DO try to make sure the potshots I make are at least based on something, instead of creating strawmen which seems to be one of your best talents. But, you've told me I have murder in my heart.... Exactly. You have chosen to believe in those morals. You have done the same thing I have, except you consider yourself above me because you've based yours on a book that claims to be the word of God and universal law. You know what men have written, that's it. You cannot verify that what is written in the bible is indeed what God intended those people he allegedly chose to record his word. So, it's based on a belief, that the morals you've chosen are the right ones. Same as me. I would, but he doesn't return my calls. Maybe I have to make an appointment, but I can't seem to reach his secretary either.
Then anything should be allowed. You could make the case that rape is ethical. I could not do this because the Word says it is not. But if you reject God…and His Word…then anything in your world could be acceptable. Right?
Junkieturtle said, I have free will…and that is God given. Yes you do most people here do at least on the abortion threads. You make fun, make pot shots against people who are believers. I bet if I was a Muslim here debating abortion…you would give them wiggle room…but not Christians..we are the big target. And they are a concern of yours or you wouldn't be on debate sites, debating this…and opposing those you can't abide. What you don't get because your so intolerant..is that I have a right to voice my opinion…to try to convince others that my side is right. Religion has always been in our government because there never was and is that wall of separation. We see it in history past…and we see it today. No secular nation would have laws on the books like we have had restricting what people care fighting for today….gay marriage. Our laws reflected Christianity. Sure we had porn…but not like the porn filtered through society today. And not everyone had access to into anywhere near what it is today. Check this out…. http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html "The statistics are truly staggering. According to compiled numbers from respected news and research organizations, every second $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography. Every second 28,258 internet users are viewing pornography. In that same second 372 internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines. Every 39 minutes a new pornographic video is being created in the U.S." "It’s big business. The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined. 2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues ballooned to $97.06 billion. 2006 & 2005 U.S. Pornography Industry Revenue Statistics, 2006 Top Adult Search Requests, 2006 Search Engine Request Trends are some of the other statistics revealed here." And you say it was bigger before the internet? LMAO There are Christians and people of faith all over the world. And your point was? "The snake trick girl"…….this shows your heart…and your continuation of mocking those you can't stand and can't abide. NO TOLERANCE ON THE LEFT….thats for sure. You continually remind us that we are supposed to turn the other cheek, and love love love. You imply that your side is all about love…and look at the comments here said by you. LOL You breathe….hatred towards people like me. LMAO…..all I can do…..LMAO What a crock... LMAO…….yea. This is hilarious…really. You expect me to fall for this crap? LMAO Your a hoot. You just said you didn't earlier. Now do you or don't you? I do make pot shots…..I never said I didn't. LOL I think your position is absolutely immoral on every level. With what science tells us today about life…you have no moral leg to stand on. Your position is all over the place…most pro-aborts is. The fact is…you Makedde and Grannie…others….hate people who believe in God. Number one reason you lurk around sites that deal with issues we are passionate about….like abortion….to shove the unborn in our faces….you champion abortion….and that says it all. Do you, you tell me….your the pro-abort not me. Exactly. You have chosen to believe in those morals. You have done the same thing I have, except you consider yourself above me because you've based yours on a book that claims to be the word of God and universal law. You know what men have written, that's it. You cannot verify that what is written in the bible is indeed what God intended those people he allegedly chose to record his word. So, it's based on a belief, that the morals you've chosen are the right ones. Same as me. I would, but he doesn't return my calls. Maybe I have to make an appointment, but I can't seem to reach his secretary either.[/QUOTE]
Only in a vacuum of special pleading; our supreme law of the land specifically enumerates our temporal and secular morals, what isn't covered by our Ten Amendments and Bill of Rights? You do realize that our supreme law of the land is more supreme than even ten Religious commandments from any god.
Secular morals…which would encompass anything…because it would change for each individual. And we have laws that prohibit certain activities. The Word is over anything for a Christian….especially man made laws and rules.
Our federal Constitution is over two hundred years old as a form of "moral absolutism". From my perspective, our federal Congress has the power to establish Standards for the Union. Contraception could be one standard. It would be up to individuals on whether to use them or not.
It seems to me, that the delegated authority to allow for individual choice already exists as it relates to real persons, but not necessarily artificial persons.
Tell me how a human being that is alive and growing…whose heart probably has already started beating…is artificial?
No one reasonably denies the single celled fertilized egg is human. Or that it has the potential to become a fully developed human being. But you likewise cannot deny that the single celled fertilized egg is not a fully developed human being. An underlying assumption in you post is that if something is human or has the capacility to become a human being, it must therefore have the same rights as other human beings. But if fact, we as a matter of course deny certain rights to humans who are not fully developed human beings. So the question is, what rights should be accorded the fertilized single celled human? What should it have a predominate right to continue development?
In my opinion, preventing any need for the medical procedure of the abortion of a potential, fellow human being, is more ethical than Iron Age morals that do not work in modern times; regardless of the amount of fornication involved.
Your straw man argument is completely your own. Since when have only Iron Age morals proscribed rape? In my opinion, morals should be used for goodness and not badness if we are to aspire to any form of holiness.
