NBA Hall of Famer: Black people need to stop looking for handouts

Luck didn't make Karl Malone a success in life, and that's why people have to knock on opportunity's door themselves, Natty.

Since when is hard work and the success derived from it "good fortune"?

You should be applauding Malone's success and message instead of trying to deny it. Don't be a hater.

 

You're looking more foolish all the time.

You selectively cling to those fortunate, wealthy, sports celebrities who spout notions that coincide with your own.

I'm strongly inclined to believe that most do not, but as I've noted, I don't obsess over celebrities' opinions on everything, even if they are media stars and some are in awe of their every word.

Surely you can find sociologists and economists with legitimate credentials to lend credence to your perspective rather than relying on opinionated ex-jocks.

 

Humility allows every successful person to acknowledge his good fortune and be grateful for it. It plays a part in every success story.

You seem confused. When did I ever deny the star athlete's success?

 

Yeah, truer words HAVE been spoken. Barkley and Malone are fabulously wealth due to freaky genetics and the fact that the NBA hasn't discriminated against blacks since the '50s. It's a damn good thing for all concerned that MLK didn't listen to people like that. Both even have white wives if memory serves. Who the feck are they to talk?

 

You seem confused about how he became successful.

 

Those who venerate the likes of Karl Malone apparently do not believe in genetics. They're exclusively self-generated creations.

I wonder if those who cite him as a socioeconomic expert also hold him up as the ideal in matters of parenting - which, in his mind, apparently consists of no contribution beyond genetics:

Some should choose their heroes more carefully, imho.

 

By being 6'9" tall and entertaining people by playing with a big round ball with considerable skill.

 

Oh, I get it now! You're one of these who wants Wage and Price Controls?! Ha! Yeah, we tried that horse(*)(*)(*)(*) under Richard Nixon, and you know what happened? Prices went up anyway, because of "exceptions and exclusions" to the rules, but wages were locked up tight! When you get government acting in areas that are none of its (*)(*)(*)(*)ing business this is what ALWAYS happens. Let government provide infrastructure, defense for the nation, and keep all the scummy, disease-ridden illegal aliens out of here. THAT is part of its job -- not telling citizen taxpayers how much money one man has to pay another....

 

Weird who said ANYTHING about wage and price controls?

WITHOUT FALSE PREMISES, DISTORTIONS AND LIES, WHAT WOULD RIGHT WINGERS EVER HAVE???



HOW'S THIS:


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory

The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

These three sentences do nothing less than blow apart the central tenet of modern conservative economic theory, confirming that lowering tax rates on the wealthy does nothing to grow the economy while doing a great deal to concentrate more wealth in the pockets of those at the very top of the income chain.

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...rvative-economic-theory-gop-suppresses-study/


THAT'S #1, IMO, THEN YOU HAVE CONSERVATIVES" FREE TRADE" A CLOSE SECOND!

WEIRD HOW WALMART LIFTING THEIR WAGES RIGHT? lol

 

It shouldn't sit well with any intelligent human being. Pay black people more for being born? You high?

 

You liberals NEVER get it right about the rich and taxes! Your own "limousine liberal" elite laugh at you bottom-feeder schlubs as being "useful idiots" because of your lack of vision and misdirected ire. The real villain in the tax situation IS the U. S. Tax Code! Don't you understand that it doesn't make any difference what hypothetical percentage we set the tax rate at? it doesn't mean JACK-(*)(*)(*)(*) as long as all the tax loopholes, tax shelters, tax exclusions, and tax exceptions remain in place?! Make it 1%, or make it 99% -- the über-rich have armies of tax attorneys and tax accountant to make damned sure they go right on paying little or nothing in taxes!

Once again people like you, with your limited tunnel-vision, are at the throats of people like me, when we ought to be standing together to force a total re-write of the U. S. Tax Code to eliminate all the loopholes, shelters, and any provision that allows U. S. companies to stack up profits overseas and KEEP them there until they can bribe enough Republican AND Democrat legislators into giving them a tax-free "holiday". But, no, you Leftists are so obsessed with preserving your crappy little bottom-feeder socialism that you can't see how everyone except the über-rich is getting royally screwed by the U. S. Tax Code. Focus on THAT instead of some ass-wipe "minimum wage" increase that will only result in runaway inflation and you will finally begin to understand what is in your best interest, and what is NOT!

Hint: not even your populist, "transparent" President Messiah has seen fit to change the U. S. Tax Code. Why not? He, like all the rest of them, Left and Right, is nothing but a puppet -- bought and paid for by the same billionaire insiders that own and control everything and everyone!

 

Weird how YOU keep dodging and NEVER can just stay on topic? Oh right WHEN YOU ARE WRONG YOU CAN'T DEFEND YOUR ORIGINAL POSITS WHEN HOLES ARE SHOT IN THEM, lol


" the über-rich have armies of tax attorneys and tax accountant to make damned sure they go right on paying little or nothing in taxes!"



DIDN'T USED TO BE THAT WAY THOUGH, UNTIL THE GOP BECAME THE PARTY OF THE RICH!!


SEE THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATES UNTIL REAGANOMICS???







How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich
The inside story of how the Republicans abandoned the poor and the middle class to pursue their relentless agenda of tax cuts for the wealthiest one percent


Modern-day Republicans have become, quite simply, the Party of the One Percent – the Party of the Rich.

"The Republican Party has totally abdicated its job in our democracy, which is to act as the guardian of fiscal discipline and responsibility," says David Stockman, who served as budget director under Reagan. "They're on an anti-tax jihad – one that benefits the prosperous classes."

The Republican Party went on a tax-cutting rampage and a spending spree," says Rhode Island governor and former GOP senator Lincoln Chafee, pointing to two deficit-financed wars and an unpaid-for prescription-drug entitlement.

...Republicans talk about job creation, about preserving family farms and defending small businesses, and reforming Medicare and Social Security. But almost without exception, every proposal put forth by GOP lawmakers and presidential candidates is intended to preserve or expand tax privileges for the wealthiest Americans. And most of their plans, which are presented as common-sense measures that will aid all Americans, would actually result in higher taxes for middle-class taxpayers and the poor.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109



Obama HAS proposed redoing the tax code, of course the GOP party of no has refused to gert any new revenues and has shut that down, lol. One proposal Obama had was to drop the MARGINAL Corp tax rate to 28% *from 35% AND GET RID OF LOOPHOLES. OF COURSE THE PARTY OF NO HAS REFUSED



YOUR BS PREMISE ON MIN WAGE, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE IN THE DOZENS OF TIMES IT'S BEEN UPPED IS NOTED, WITH HUMOR, LOL


Conservatives/libertarians are ALWAYS on the wrong side of history!!

February 22, 2012

President Obama proposed a major overhaul of the nation’s corporate tax code on Wednesday, an election-year gambit that aims to draw a contrast over a key policy issue with the Republicans vying to replace him.

The plan would lower the nation’s corporate tax rate to 28 percent. At the same time, Obama wants to boost overall revenue from corporate taxation by banning numerous deductions and loopholes that save companies tens of billions of dollars a year on their tax bill


http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...o-28-percent/2012/02/22/gIQA1sjdSR_story.html

lol

 

What he's saying is that whatever the tax rate is the rich always find a way to avoid paying what they are supposed to pay by using loopholes and all the other stuff. Nothing new about this because the tax code has been full of tax breaks for the rich ever since the income tax was set up a hundred years ago. Lots of Democrats and Republican administrations since then, right?

 

Weird how even though Obama and his majorities in the Senate and the House, which he had air-tight control of for two full years DID NOT DO ONE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING THING ABOUT THE TAX CODE! Oh, and now, with two years to go, and with the only tools he has left being his "pen and phone", he won't just go ahead and change the Tax Code by Presidential Decree, like he has so many other things? WOW! I guess changing the Tax Code so that the rich have to pay a fair share for the first time in history isn't so very (*)(*)(*)(*)ing important to him and his Socialist lapdog bankers' lackeys after all -- ya think?!

I'm not changing the subject at all -- I'm trying to get you and those like you to see what the real problem is instead of running around in circles, chasing your tails, like the senseless dogs that your own "limousine liberal" overlords KNOW you to be.... Prediction: you bottom-feeders will get your precious raise in the minimum wage -- and in less than a year from now you'll all be crying poor-mouth because your big, hooptie "raise" disappeared in rising prices on every damned thing you buy!

 

Note the EFFECTIVE tax ratesby group




WHICH PARTY REFUSES TO SEE ANY INCREASES ON THE "JOB CREATORS" PUSHING THE FALSE MEME IF YOU INCREASE THEIR TAXES, YOU'LL KILL JOB CREATION???

Yeah. "both parties"

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2010/08/10/173450/1993-quotes/

 

GAWD WITHOUT FALSE PREMISES, DISTORTIONS AND LIES, WHAT WOULD RIGHT WINGERS EVER HAVE?


One of the standard Republican talking points is that the Democrats had a filibuster-proof, super majority for two years between 2008 and 2010. This talking point is usually trotted out when liberals complain that the Republicans filibustered virtually every piece of legislation proposed by Obama or the Democrats during Obama’s presidency. The implication is that Democrats had ample opportunity to pass legislation and that the reason they didn’t pass more legislation doesn’t have anything to do with the Republicans.

It is also used to counter any argument that Republican legislation, (passed during the six years of total Republican control,) has anything to do with today’s problems. They claim that the Democrats had a super majority for two years and passed all kinds of legislation, (over Republican objection and filibuster,) that completely undid all Republican policies and legislation, and this absolves them from today’s problems.

The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 60 working days during that period, insufficient time to undo even a small portion of the legislation passed during six years of Republican control. Here are the details:


WHILE THE US ECONOMY WAS DUMPING 9%+ THE LAST QUARTER OF DUBYA AND LOSING 4+ MILLION JOBS IN 2009!

http://factleft.com/2012/01/31/the-myth-of-democratic-super-majority/

Generally rule of thumb for YOU to remember, RIGHT WINGERS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY!!!

 

Your deceitful, doctrinaire, socialist NOTHINGNESS and his little friends in Congress found time in their busy days to (*)(*)(*)(*) up the entire healthcare industry of this country for years to come with their calamitous version of socialized-medicine, but honest, genuine, beneficial TAX REFORM?! None of the Limousine Liberal overlords wants anything like THAT to happen (perish forbid!). The "big money" boys tell your shallow-as-spit-in-a-wash-basin lackey exactly what to think, and exactly what to do. And he does...!

So what have we got six years after this goon has been perched in the White House? A FRAUD-BALLOON "recovery" for the investment bankers and the stock market criminals, and everybody else gets welfare and a pissant increase in the minimum wage.... If nothing else, this much is surely true: you hyperliberal Leftists are VERY easily satisfied....

 

Got it, you low informed types are upset at the second best conservative Prez since Ike, Prez Obama, who was only in second place thanks to Clinton's fiscal policy that kept the GOP in check..

EVERYTHING else YOU posit is just the usual nonsense NOT based in reality or history. Shocking.

Sure DURING the worst economic downturn since the first GOP great depression, Obama was going to get the votes to "reform" the tax code *shaking head*

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’

The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 are scheduled to expire at the end of the year, and President Obama, just as he did on the campaign trail, has proposed renewing the cuts for all but those in the highest two income tax brackets, allowing tax rates for the wealthiest two percent of Americans to reset to the rate at which they were under President Clinton.

Republicans, however, want to renew all of the cuts, and have been apoplectic about Obama’s plan, claiming that it will kill jobs and cripple small businesses. “This is about stopping a job-killing tax hike on small businesses during tough economic times,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT). “You can’t raise taxes in the middle of a weak economy without risking a double dip in the recession,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH).

If these warnings about double-dip recessions and job-killing tax increases sound vaguely familiar, that’s because they are. TaxVox yesterday pointed to a couple of quotes from Republicans in 1993 employing very similar rhetoric as today’s Republicans, with then Senate Minority leader Bob Dole (R-KS), claiming that “half the tax increase because of the rate increases is going to be paid by small business and they’re not rich,” which is the same false argument employed by today’s Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Here is just some of the rhetoric employed by Republicans in 1993 to fearmonger about Clinton’s tax increases (there’s more below the fold):

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2010/08/10/173450/1993-quotes/


RIGHT WINGERS WRONG THEN, AND WRONG TODAY



Dubya lost 1+ million PRIVATE sector jobs in 8 years using GOP's "job creator" policies, under Obama's "balloon" there has been a NET of 7+ million PRIVATE sector (11+ since "job killer Obamacares" passed Feb 2010) jobs creator. AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE YOU RIGHT WINGERS KNOW ABOUT POLICY??? LOL


http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001

 

What diseases did the illegal aliens bring?

 

handouts?


like these:







why don't white or black hall of famers demand that corporations stop demanding these???????????

 

those "fortunate"? lol did you really just say that? He made himself what he is today. Are you telling us this man was born rich? Are you telling us he took handouts?

Answer these questions.

 

Stop trying to dodge the reality. You need to honestly confront the issue.

Is “hard work” sufficient for every poor person in the country to achieve enormous financial success and fame like your big hero, 6’9” Karl Malone, whose natural gifts and physical attributes in playing a game many kids play won for him special attention and financial assistance that led to his becoming a wealthy celebrity?

What could affirm the enormous genetic advantage Malone enjoyed better than his own son (whom your exalted idol refused to acknowledge or support) similarly succeeding via his genetic inheritance alone?

Might every poor kid growing up in America also play with a large ball so skillfully that they receive special attention, financial aid, and also become wealthy celebrities?

If they all inherit Malone’s genes, certainly! - Even if the lowlife refuses to acknowledge his own offspring and provide the financial support he can easily afford for any of them.


I suggest you find yourself a hero more worthy of your veneration, one who can take the trouble to raise a son with love and understanding, not just pass on a pile of financial success genes and abandon him.