Netanyahu steps up appeal to French Jews after attacks

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  1. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    They are been contracidted by International law and UN Conventions, as I showed earlier.
     
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    I know what I Ad-Hominem, dont you worry Ron.
     
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    No it hasn't.. You are mistaken. Perhaps you don't understand what you read.
     
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    I understand what I read, but it is nice to see that you like to attack my understanding, rether them my claim.
     
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    I already told your that your claim is false. The Western Wall and the West Bank are occupied territory taken by force in 1967,
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, what are you trying to say? This doesn't make any sense.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    They are been contracidted by International law and UN Conventions, as I showed earlier.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry but failure to express oneself in an intelligent way in the English language, makes it very difficult to take your comments seriously.

    Why? Cause I have no idea what your actual claim is.
     
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    The best experts in international law, being the International Court of Justice, say you are wrong.

    shocking huh?
     
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    Explain your question, so I could answer it properly.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I know how to express myself in this forum.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    And yet they are been contracidted by International law and UN Conventions, as I showed earlier.
     
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    Nope. Under international law it is illegal to colonize occupied territory.
     
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    yes, and until a permanent settlement is made, the Oslo Accords remain in affect.

    are you saying the Palestine Authority has been disbanded? The Palestine National Council no longer exists?

    Abbas is President of nothing?

    Area A, Area B, Area C are null and void?
     
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    As I alerady showed you:
    According to Article 2 of the Fourth Geneva Convention that states that this convention will apply on territories that been taken away from High Contracting party" that controlled over it, and since no state did control Judea and Samaria (nor Gaza) in '67, hence the convention does not apply to such territories. Moreover, this convention and it's Article 49 does not apply since Article 49 was made to deal with the reality that was created in the World War II, as the official commentary of the Red Cross shows.

    Moreover, the settlements are lawfully thanks to Article 80 of the UN Charter that protects the rights that were granted to the Jews over the Land of Israel by the document of the Mandate. One of those rights is to settle in the Land of Israel as Article 6 states.
    Now for showing that Article 49 of the 4th GC is no applicable for Judea and Samaria, the number one reasoning about the illegaly existance of Israeli settlements, we can read about it in Levy Report that stated the following:
    Prof. Rostow, an international law expert and one of the drafters of Resolution 242 stated about Article 49:
    Prof. Stone, as well international law expert said about that Article:
    Now, if we wll cross it with the official comentary of the Red Cross for the Fourth Geneva Convention we will notice the following:
    So as you can read, from international law experts, till the actuall official commentary of the Fourth Geneva Convention are all say the same: Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention was formed to deal with the practices was used in the world war II. Thus, has nothing to do with the reality in Judea and Samaria.

    Souirce'1: http://israelipalestinian.procon.or...l-Status-of-Building-in-Judea-and-Samaria.pdf
    Source'2: https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/GC_1949-IV.pdf
     
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    The State of Palestine is a High Contracting Party to the 4th Geneva Conventions. So is Jordan.
     
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    LOL!!!! so only land conquered during WW2 can be Occupied Territory???????????????

    that's insane. and idiotic.
     
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    According to Oslo Accords, as I showed here, the aim of the Accords was valid for the next 5 years from the time of its signing. Thus, it was unvalid in 2000 at most, when 5 years was past.

    The PA, that is the fruit of the Oslo Accords has no valid agreement to rely on it's existance. It continues to exist because it is comfortable for both sides, but not because the Oslo Accords are still valid.

    According to the Oslo Accrods, as I showed here, yes.

    You are cathcing up.
     
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    "Palestine" is the whole territory from the west of the river since 1922. In 1967 there was no such thing as "Palestinians state", or "Palestinian entity" that was in control of Judea and Samaria.
     
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    According to the international law experts at the Israeli Supreme Court, the 4th Geneva Conventions applies to CisJordan.

    So does the International Court of Justice. Which Israel is required to respect, as a UN member.

    But you think they are idiots and liars.
     
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    The State of Palestine, as per the UN, is the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza.

    Judea and Samaria do not exist.
     
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    No. Only land that a force took over from the prior force that controlled it refer as "occupied". That was not the case regarding Judea and Samaria, since there was no entity in Judea and Samaria that controlled ther legaly and was recongnized by the nations of the world.
     
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    They are been contracidted by International law and UN Conventions, as I showed earlier.
     
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    Judea and Samaria is what you call "the West Bank".
     
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    so Area A, B, C, no longer exist.

    Abbas is President of nothing.

    The Palestine Authority no longer exists.

    The Palestine National Council no longer exists.

    really?

     

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