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New chief scientist - in favor of nuclear and fracking!

Discussion in 'Australia, NZ, Pacific' started by m2catter, Oct 27, 2015.

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  1. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    There was a time, when our government subsidized those panels.
    However with more and more people signing up, the willingness of our government diminished towards zero, as the coal industry started sobbing about lost income.
    We could be a step further, if our government wouldn't act like a whore on steroids.
    My country is not for a greener future, but for the government to protecting the big players.
    Time for a change....
    Regards
     
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    PM Turnbull is heavily invested in Coal. Less coal burnt, less money in PM Turnbull's pocket -fact of life.

    PM Turnbull is so heavily involved in burning coal the NSW voter and others will now pay the annual $60 Million income tax of BlueScope Steel a primary coal burning business Turnbull has ownership in!

    The citizens of NSW will stop paying BlueScope $60 Million annual income tax when PM Malcolm achieves a ban on imported steel.

    Its hard to believe PM Turnbull not know of a Federal fund to which he could draw upon to refund the NSW Liberal Government paying the $60 Million annual income tax of BlueScope Steel and keeping its money flowing to PM Malcolm's pocket.

    BlueScope Steel is a major coal burning business, and coal is good for humankind, especially PM Turnbull who personally profits from coal burning!

    The Greens are great with their false rhetoric on how they oppose coal burning, yet they oppose tooth and nail any innovation that threatens coal burning existence.

    The Greens in fact took from the Australian citizen $30 Million cash paid into their bank account to promote non coal burning power generation, and the money quietly slipped from sight never to be accounted for. We need The Greens like we need a second bum hole!
     
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    reallybigjohnson Banned

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    There are no unforseeable long term problems. The science behind nuclear is well established and has been for decades. More people have died via solar energy than with nuclear energy and nuclear produced 17% of the world's energy compared to just 1% for solar.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/
     
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    The powerwall is pointless, if your capable of doing so, do the research and crunch the numbers. You'll find that it performs no better then a rack of car batteries of the same size at 3 times the money.
     
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    Tesla was into obtaining electricity from the atmosphere. Others were engaged in high heat thermal turbines 600* Celsius. Todays thermal turbines kick in at -40* Celsius. From that temperature up, all electricity needed can be generated. Its major problem is it not need coal backup!

    Attached example is open technology, however its use in Australia is banned under the coal is good for humankind, Liberal Party coal share owners dictate!

    CHINESE DRAGON.jpg
     
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  7. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    No unforeseeable long term problems with nuc waste? Or should we better say very foreseeable problems with nuclear waste?
    1% solar will be 2% one day, and then 3% and so on.
    Have you got shares in either the coal or uranium mining business? You talk the part....
    Cheerio
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    My biggest worry with our new chief scientist is that he won't be committed towards renewables, as he talks too much in favor of coal and nuc power.
    Sad for Australia, sad for the world. Good for yesteryear's and Liberal devotees....
    Cheerio
     
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    No there are no unforseen problems with disposing nuclear waste. First off the vast majority of that waste can be neutralized in fast breeder reactors. The problem is that we don't invest in them because everyone is chasing the unicorn rainbow fart magical solar/wind power nonsense.
     
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    Dr Alan Finkel is a Neuroscientist he have about as much knowledge in the energy field as a 10 year old on a computer, but he wants an end to coal burning even if he's not up on the latest technology in power generation, and be assured the Liberal party want it to remain that way!
     
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    What the heck are you talking about?

    I'm talking about the powerwall from the company named Tesla, not the man. http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall

    Nor was Nikola Tesla "into obtaining electricity from the atmosphere" he did however want to TRANSMIT energy through the atmosphere. Obtaining and transmit are different words with different meanings.
     
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    Realy!:roflol:
     
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    Really
     
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    Nuclear Power in the World Today 2015

    There are over 435 commercial nuclear power reactors operable in 31 countries, •They provide over 11% of the world's electricity as continuous, reliable base-load power, without carbon dioxide emissions.
     
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    Nah, but he came up with Colonel Sanders fifteen herbs and spices! :roflol:
     
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    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...el-touts-vision-for-coal-free-economy/6887578

    So one would expect he has progressive nature into future of energy generation for the WORLD. Not the simple meanderings of pretender wannabe who simply has no idea.

    However, MORE to this man you want to attempt to denigrate due to your ignorance
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...587400953?sv=3aae125da963bc5bcb22964a08dfdb92



    And before you attempt to attack his credentials as some others are attempting to support your denigrations of a person whom you have no idea about

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Finkel

    But unlike you, this man puts his money where his mouth is... you should check out his ride... Like to see you buy your electric car instead of simply demanding everybody else does...
     
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    A position bound by what Government displays to him. Coal is good for humankind innovation appears to be the limits to which his Governmental appointment puts to his avail and knowledge. Should he scope to go past that is not known!
     
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    what an interesting way to say nothing...
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Ups,
    my apology, the man is in favor of fracking and nuc power, not coal. I messed this one up....
    However, and that is the reason I started this thread, I hate fracking and I believe nuc power is a blast from the past....
    Regards
     
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    Oh way to go... Of course you have to ignore the fact he also advocates renewables, but let us be selective while attempting to denigrate people... The obvious point would be that he is living in the real world when it comes to environmental issues. Unlike yourself he does understand that the world cannot simply turn off what you don't like.

    You can advocate for renewables all you like, but if you ignore very important facts about the industry then you are simply being ignorant of what you pretend to believe. I do believe you advocate solar, how much does it cost??? Considering the amount of solar NOW in the world and nowhere they can supply base load power... where do you think it should come from??? At least he has thought about it, seems you have not.
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Is that your response when someone apologizes for an error?

    Oh dear oh dear,
    the costs again. How much does it cost? How much is a livable world worth to you?
    Of course I believe we should invest heavier into solar and wind, plus those fricking wave technologies sound tempting as well.
    All a lot of work and jobs, so how much does it cost? You want to put a number on future jobs and a life, which might be more sustainable?
    Typical question from someone who favors Libs and Libs and Libs, the party which holds us back all the time, or draws us into new wars.....
    Abbott made a point, when he said he didn't like wind turbines, they looked ugly. At least he was honest.
    Turnbull is another caliber and needs closer scrutiny. Too intelligent and heavily involved into existing power plants!
    You just cannot trust this party and their leaders.....I am happy to have a greenish soul!
    Regards
     
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    Oh sorry, I did not realise you were apologising for your error, I thought you were actually just qualifying your response to meet your original objection...
    As far as apologies go that is one of the worst. Looks to me your saying you made a mistake of what you wanted to pin to this person… Fact remains you are selectively denigrating the person in an attempt to justify your slander… which you did not apologise for…

    So yes that is my response when you pretend your apologising. I guess I should not have expected more from somebody who pretends to be something they are not…
    Oh dear oh dear... those pesky questions you cannot answer again.
    So let us ask the underlying question to that issue... How many poor people do you advocate should be sent to their deaths so you can feel warm and cosy with your ideals??? How many people have to die??? How many people are you going to oppress to live in complete abject poverty so you can feel warm and cosy with your life??? 2 million??? 20 million??? 200 million???
    Please let us all know, just what level of humanity is worth discarding so you can consider the planet liveable??? Perhaps the easier question for you to answer is, Just what makes you think the planet is actually YOURS to control???

    And there you have it... It is all about the Coalition, NOT about the appointment. You will denigrate and ridicule people simply because of the coalition and NOT their beliefs and abilities. Clearly we see the pretender come out purely and simply because of the party and not the reality of the situation. Yes you happy to be ignorant because that is easier than actually thinking for yourself isn't it???

    So your denigration of the person appointed is simply because you don't like the government because they are not the Greens or Labor. Did you even consider the person at all??? I think not.
     
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    You will have to take that up with Forbe's because they have 17%.
     
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    www.world-nuclear.org ›
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    I thought so,
    you can't take an apology just for that, always trying to make a person look bad.
    Garry, AT and AM, your are siblings of the worst category.....Your signature is one and the same.
    Regards
     
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