New Political Party Just Dropped

I have postulated foe years that the mistake the Libertarians made has been concentrating on the Presidency and high offices rather than starting at the local and state levels and win those seats first building a base and actual policies.

If these guys are going to have some success that is where they should start.

 

What example are you willing to discuss then?

 

I would like a center Right party called "Sanity."

 

And Hitler promised to make Germany great again (Germany was is bad shape back then), but there is nothing now or special in politicians promising to make things "great", or promising "change".

 

Well socialism is the transitory system between capitalism and communism. Given that capitalism is still the dominant system in the world it would be difficult to discuss true socialism if you’re uninterested in theory.

 

Maybe, but “Make Germany Great Again” wasn’t a campaign slogan employed by Hitler or the Nazi party. “America First” was employed by American Nazis.

 

Well that was nuff said for me Any road, however long, towards communism, is a bad idea considering example of WHAT IT COULD BE...

Thanks for being honest

 

Your claim is false.

"David Smith claims that the slogan “America first” “originated with Nazi sympathisers” (Trump plans huge increase in US military, 28 February). This was very far from the case, although the America First founders were certainly determined to keep the US out of the European war.

The organisation America First was the 1940 brainchild of Yale student Robert Douglas Stuart, the son of the vice-chairman of the Quaker Oats Company of Chicago. Among Stuart’s fellow students on the original committee were Gerald Ford (later president of the US) and Potter Stewart (who later became a distinguished jurist). Another member, although not one of the founders, was John F Kennedy.

This student organisation was quickly taken up by the isolationists in the Congress and Senate, and grew into a very considerable national organisation. It certainly attracted many people from the Republican right, but there were probably as many Democrats in its ranks. The movement was at its strongest in and around Chicago and in New York, where it was run by the leftwing journalist John T Flynn, famous for his attacks on the excesses of Wall Street and corruption in the gambling industry. . . . "
America First was not a pro-Nazi organisation | Letters
https://www.theguardian.com › world › mar › america-...


Mar 5, 2017 — Another member, although not one of the founders, was John F Kennedy. This student organisation was quickly taken up by the isolationists in the ...

 

There will never be a third major party in this nation as long as FPTP voting is our primary method

 

I'm not saying Reagan copied Hitlers words, but Hitler was all about restoring German greatness after they had been beat up in WW-I and then by hyper inflation and economic depression. What politician would NOT promise that at a time like that?

 

Yup. That's why a new third party needs to supplant one of the two extant parties.

 

Heh, that's the thing; form a party first, then worry about positions later. That's why I think this is just a grift.

 

Oh noes! They made good on their threat!

Now nothing will happen...

 

So, we are back to paper hats and straw men. I see. So, you won't discuss the failures, but you don't have an example you want to discuss. Got it.

 

I disagree with both you and @DaveBN on this. I think Yang is a pretty smart guy. He based a Presidential run on a gimmick; "vote for me and I give you cash" and it garnered an unbelievable amount of attention to himself. You can scroll through the archives of this site and his gimmick idea garnered quite a lot of support. If he can make a living by taking big donor checks without ever having to produce anything...that's not being a dummy.

 

But it is the problem with todays leaders and our government though

 

And should that small, 500 members, radical short lived minority dictate our language? Do they really have the power to usurp a great and proper slogan from the citizens of the United States?

 

Socialism has been tried on a small scale by various commune communities. They fail because it goes against human nature.

 

The hoped-for response would be that many of those are appropriately state-level issues, so a national party can encompass divergent views.

 

Any sort of "Significant" 3rd Party in the USA is a Fool's Errand...
The end result (of any proposed 3rd party) will be to siphon votes from one of the Major Parties and defeat the entire purpose...
Total waste of time and money...

 

Why?

Since most 3rd party supporters would be independents, then logically it would siphon votes from both existing parties, not just one. When (and if) these 3rd party reps get seats in Congress, they will be in position to decide of outcomes on bills, and IMO it will result in less hyper-partisan bills.

Current voters:
28% = GOP
28% = Dems
41% = Independent

 

They can only be 'siphoned' if they were going to get them in the first place. A number of 3rd party voters are people who won't touch the duopoly with a 10' pole. A number of 'non-voters' are non-voters because the choices are 'evil' 1 or 'evil 2'. So if they are given a possible viable 3rd choice, no siphoning.

It will take a while, a long while, to get momentum for a viable 3rd party. But it has to start somewhere.

 

EXCEPT:
1) All of the "Independents" won't vote the the SAME 3rd Party...
2) Once the party platform is made public, it will clearly be labeled either "RW" or "LW" and will serve no other purpose but to siphon votes...
A Viable 3rd Party (capable of winning several seats in Congress, or even mounting a Viable Presidential Run) is a Pipe Dream...
Just like a Balanced Budget or the "Progressive Revolution"...
It just ain't gonna happen...

 

My suspicion is similar to yours. But then again, Ds and Rs do that too. Here's hoping 'Forward' is as well-intentioned as they claim.

 

Until the third party can actually approach 33% of the vote they are nothing but a waste of time and a protest vote.

You're still voting for the left or the right whether you realize it or not