NFL says Trump's "divisive" comments "demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL

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    He should Just like the rules say. :)

    You and the dictionary. Mortal enemies to the end. :roflol:

    Keep digging that hole.
     
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    You seem confused. Genuflection (the act of bending the knee or touching it to the ground in reverence or worship) is an inherently respectful gesture. Had they mooned the song, that would have been irreverent. The spectacle a group of professional athletes on bent knees with heads bowed certainly does not convey contempt, although some, contemptuous of Americans exercising their freedom of expression in that peaceful manner, may like to pretend so.
     
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    The league's denial and dishonesty regarding CTE is of far greater concern than is the freedom of expression being exercised by players.
     
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    Says something about us as a culture when we'll get mad over the anthem but try to look the other way when a woman gets abused or animals get killed.
     
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    I honestly don't remember anyone defending those criminals.
     
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    I am trying to dig you out.

    Uh-oh.

     
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    I don't disagree but that doesn't mean the players dishonoring the national anthem by co-opting it with their message are doing the right thing.
     
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    Ooopsie......as usual the left just isn't able to figure out reality.



    As President Donald Trump continues to chastise NFL players who kneel in protest during the national anthem before games, some football fans are wondering: Does the NFL league rulebook require players to stand for the anthem? A viral Facebook post referencing section a62 63 of the rulebook claims it does.

    Before we verify or debunk that claim, it's important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.


    "The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest," reads the NFL's website. "Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance."

    The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does.

    Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

    The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

    During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.....snip~

    http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/


    Oh my.....look at that. What happened? Just why are most of the leftists.....without their smart powers?

    Just where did their smart powers run off to?

    How do you think the left is looking now......beside lame in the game and for the country. :roflol:
     
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    Dig this....Should is the past tense of shall. It is not a suggestion.

    When the NFL says in their operating manual that players shall stand at attention with helmets under their left arms it is not a suggestion...
    it is an imperative and absolutely required.

    Look it up if you have a dictionary or any respect for the truth (you seem to have neither).
     
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    Back then they weren't, but now the excuses are coming out of the woodworks like "hey, they were at least apologetic and remorseful for what they did."

    I wasn't aware that simple remorse could heal facial bruises.
     
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    I expect that as soon as these inappropriate protests end, all will be forgiven and forgotten.
     
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    Fans do often have short memories and are quick to start cheering again as soon as they start winning.
     
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    The players are not genuflecting as they've explained. They are not being deferential they are protesting.

    English as a second language?
     
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    Here's more:

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/...ghts-free-speech-lesson-nfl-anthem-protesters


    Tomi Lahren: A Free Speech Lesson for NFL Anthem Kneelers

    'The flag is bigger than you and your temper tantrum.'

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    In her newest Final Thoughts commentary, Tomi Lahren takes on the many NFL players who knelt for the national anthem on Sunday...


    It's time for final thoughts.


    So the Left and overpaid, whiny pro-athletes are now all about the Constitution and First Amendment. Yeah, so long as the message and speech is their own. See, they keep getting this whole free speech thing twisted so let me help ‘em out.


    First of all, team owners have every right to enforce rules and standing for the anthem should be one of them - if the NFL values money, ratings, and viewership. And Roger Goodell, you disgust me. You’re the same fool who denied the Dallas Cowboys' request to wear an Arm and Arm decal on their helmets in honor of slain police officers. Now you’re about free speech and this is the cause you choose to defend? The hatred of America, the disrespect of our country, our flag and our patriotism? Way to go.


    And here’s the thing about the First Amendment, free speech and freedom of expression - Democrats, kneelers, and Leftist mainstream media hacks listen up - free speech isn’t just saying what you want to say, it’s also hearing what you don’t want to hear. See, problem is these people think they should be able to do whatever they want and no one should criticize or question it. Wrong. Your protest doesn’t get a safe space, it doesn’t get bubble wrap. You want to get political? Fine. Put it out there, disrespect the country, but don’t for one second think people like me are going to let it go unquestioned. No. I’ll be happy to remind you what that flag and that anthem mean because maybe, just maybe, it’s bigger than you and your temper tantrum.



    We stand for the anthem and salute the flag out of respect for those who have fought, died and sacrificed so we can live and flourish in the greatest nation on the face of the earth. It's not a cloth and a song. These symbols are an eternal reminder of how blessed we are to be Americans. Remember, millions of people would die to be in our shoes.


    Under God and under the American flag we are not white, black or brown, we are RED WHITE and BLUE. Congrats Colin Kaepernick, you made hatred of America the new celebrity fad. George Soros is so proud. President Trump has every right to defend our country, our anthem, and our flag. If that offends you, too bad.


    Respect, honor and love of country isn't a white thing or a Conservative thing, or a Trump supporter thing. It's an American thing. It's a reminder to the military families who have lost loved ones their fellow Americans recognize and remember their sacrifice. That's why we stand.


    And since when did disrespecting the American flag, our national anthem, our military, and our veterans become agenda items of the Democratic Party? Is that what you stand for, Democrats? If so, it’s no wonder you continue to lose elections. Keep it up, you’re reminding America-loving patriots why we voted for Donald J. Trump. Yeah, kneeling for the anthem might win Hollywood and the mainstream media but defending and loving this country wins the American people.


    Those are my final thoughts. From L.A., God bless you, God bless America, and take care.


    Watch Tomi's commentary above, see her on Fox News Channel and follow her on Facebook and Twitter!
     
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    Here's more:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...c8acbbe4b0f2df5e83afcd?section=us_contributor



    Jesse Benn, Contributor

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    White Athletes Still Standing For The Anthem Are Standing For White Supremacy

    It’s a question of privilege.

    09/25/2017 04:08 am ET Updated 9 hours ago



    The absence of white athletes kneeling for the anthem Sunday was a particularly illustrative moment in white privilege.


    See, for white athletes the anthem and American flag do represent freedom, liberty and whatever other amorphous American values one might ascribe these symbols. So, from their view, kneeling would be disrespectful to the privileges a white supremacist nation affords them.


    We’ve all heard the typical argument against kneeling. “Kneeling during the anthem disrespects the flag and the soldiers who fought for your right to protest and blah blah blah patriotism!”


    Now, I’m not going to spend much time with the most obvious counter, but it’s worth stating. In the fairytale we Americans tell ourselves where soldiers fight wars for freedom and not imperial conquests, the story says they’re fighting for someone’s right to protest, not the opposite. So using the troops as a cudgel against protest wholly misunderstands even our own national fairytale.


    So, that’s obvious enough, but what I’m talking about is this. If white athletes can’t fathom kneeling because they feel soldiers fought for their rights and blah blah blah patriotism, it’s because they are treated as full citizens and afforded those rights they imagine soldiers fought for. Interpreting their own experience as something more universal, they struggle to understand why anyone should kneel. Indeed, for them, the anthem and American flag represent promises fulfilled.


    This is the problem of privilege. It skews our ability to grasp what the world looks like outside our view.


    But even in the terms of American values, Kaepernick’s point is quite straightforward — the promises that underlie those values remain unfulfilled for black Americans.


    This isn’t a matter of opinion. Statistics reveal disparities along racial lines regarding wealth, education, healthy food, employment, health care, housing, wages, criminal charges/sentences and practically every other imaginable measure of quality of life. This isn’t a mistake of history or attributable to individual or cultural traits of the oppressed. These are the results of centuries of systemic white supremacy, plain and simple.


    Anyone who professes to care about America’s alleged values should be fighting to extend them to those they’re deprived. If they aren’t full of ****, that is.


    And while the protest at the heart of all of this isn’t about the anthem or the flag, it is about calling on America to live up to its self-professed values. As long as black people are killed by cops in the streets or left to wither away in the state’s cages without recourse, that anthem and flag represent promises unfulfilled for millions of Americans.


    Understand this. White supremacy — as in the structures of opportunity, the legacy of/ongoing oppression of non-whites, and the asymmetrical hoarding of resources by whites — is what affords us the privileges that limit our view, making a peaceful act of protest seem offensive in spite of the broader context of what’s being protested. And the ignorant result of that privilege was on full display Sunday as white players stood next to their black teammates.


    So let’s at least be clear that what those players stood for on Sunday was white supremacy. Full stop.
     
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    Dishonoring our flag, and US, is "not divisive". Complaining about being dishonored "is divisive"?

    Our nation does a much better job of securing individual Liberties than say Mexico, but should our Atheletes take a knee during the playing of the Mexican National Anthem at and International sporting event, these same "Progressives" would e jabbering on about how much they support this act of self-expression?

    You Fool No One!
     
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    Wow - now THAT was a contortion!

    The idea that white supremacy offers us anything of value is absolutely and profoundly stupid.

    And, the joining of players as a team in recognition of our shared values and the constitution that came from those shared values is a model of what WE should be doing.
     
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    Really? You would choose some other country to judge America by?

    Maybe you should choose Saudi Arabia - that would make America look even better!

    I mean, why go to Mexico to assuage your self doubt?
     
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    Libs are going to jump up and down in joy over the Atheletes "self-expression" if they take a knee while the Mexican Anthem is played at international sporting events?

    You fool no one!
     
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    The bolded part tells us all we need to know. He's just another over-educated, under-experienced, over-thinker who doesn't know what the bases of the issues truly are.

    He comes across as more of an excuser than solution provider.

    Waste of time.
     
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    So, education is a negative???

    Are you aware of what that means for America's future?
     
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    I think the guy is full of misguided theories, one wrong idea built on the previous wrong idea. In that sense, I think it came from too much time, too poorly spent in academia.

    I do think mis-education is a problem that is only getting worse.
     
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    Precisely. There is nowhere for the NFL to expand and little possibility of dramatically increasing their fan base. Most fans of the NFL are nominally patriotic -- though tend not to obsess over that in their personal lives -- and yet having these pampered millionaire players disrespect anthem and flag as they have been doing is precisely the hot button issue that hits the average citizen where they live. Economically speaking, the NFL might as well have committed seppuku. The huge irony is that the NFL STUPIDLY listened to the clueless . . . Left in the first place.

    "Oh I know! Let's sanction disrespect of the anthem and flag by radical leftist ballplayers in hopes that somehow that will pull in massive numbers of effete leftist viewers and OBVIOUSLY nobody from the Center or Right of Center would be bothered by repeated demonstrations of rank disrespect for. . . this . . . nation." Fiscal suicide and the NFL did it to itself catering to -- ironically -- nation-hating leftists. Nice!
     
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