Nigel Farage visits Bulgaria. Talk Show host goes tough on him.

I have a certain degree of respect for Farage and I think that the TV presenter in that clip was far from impartial and a bad journalist.

Ultimately Bulgarians & Romanians are already here and the easing of working restrictions will only marginally increase immigration.

But we still have a problem of the fact that our economy cannot support EU workers and the only effective and realistic solution to solve this problem is to leave the EU.
Unfortunately the EU is not that keen on seeing us leave due to the revenue we bring into the EU but when we have the referendum then it will no longer be our problem.

In fact I believe that relations between the UK and European countries will only improve if we cut our ties with the EU.

 

they dont exist de facto (for Romanians, Poles and Bulgarians), guy is a clinical xenophobe and a latent gay

 

again if, do it, dont talk like a girl , your oligarchs suck so much sweet blood from the new EU states and they will never allow to white trash decide such a important for them question

 

When and how did you prove that UK social security benefits are worthless? Please also tell the EC Commissioner from Hungary, Laszlo Andor, who is taking the UK to court because he says the UK govt discriminates against EU migrants in the benefits system about these 'worthless' benefits. Perhaps once he knows they're 'worthless' he'll back off!

And you're not even a little bit arrogant!

Obviously, and I have no more faith in your assurances either.

UK authorities don't know how many Romanians live here (apart from those who completed census questionnaires) so how do you know the number? And how do you know what proportion of them are working? What's your source? And 2.5% of 29,000,000 is still a huge number for small, crowded country like the UK to cope with.

And no one is suggesting all immigrants should be removed, especially not those who contribute fairly, but if other countries wish to deport British citizens to an independent UK, that is of course their right and those concerned would have to deal with it. The vast majority of British citizens who live in the UK can't be sacrificed for ex-pat convenience. However I doubt it would be in their interests to deport citizens who are paying their way. (Let's not forget that people lived and worked in countries not their own long before the EU ever existed if their host nation accepted them.)

Thank you for that. So do I.

I wish you and every European involved every success and happiness in that.

 

In fact, they will exist. EU migrants must be treated in the same way as nationals. Are you saying Farage is a xenophobe and a latent gay? Is this just a wild bigoted claim or do you actually have some evidence to back up it up? (A xenophobe hates or fears foreigners.)

 

You trying to insult me pal?

What white trash? Which oligarchs are you referring to?

In fact what the flying fack are you talking about?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_by_net_worth

 

must, ye´. you are not a Lawyer right? i know how things work in Sweden i m 100% sure its even worst in UK, practically majority of them get nothing doest matter how much they try. sleep well, your benefits are saved

 

You have nothing.

 

And you're seriously suggesting that the people on that wiki list dictate or influence government policy even though most of them don't own anything within the EU?

 

they make a lot of money in EU , and they are in charge in Britain, not UK´s working class

 

No. The government is in charge of the UK and we vote for the parties that we want baring in that there is no weighted universal voting.

So where is your proof that Britain is under the control of British oligarchs?
Also again that Wiki list shows that the majority of those people do not own anything in the EU.

 

your Government (like any other Government in Europe, Belarus is only one exaction ) just serves to oligarchs. have you lorn something from murdock´s story? you pay your taxes every year right?

[video=youtube;3TeZlt3dRig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TeZlt3dRig[/video]

 

That doesn't make sense nor does it qualify as evidence.

Tax avoidance is a crime just like any other. And just because it has happened does not mean that the government is not in charge of the country.

And any case this is off-topic.

 

they dont avoid , they just dont pay, they think they pay enough in bribes. are you really think that the working class choose a government every 4 years?

 

5 years.
And yes I do know that people who vote do actually choose a political party.

Look this is off-topic and I'm done with this line of thought.

 

This is a Hungarian problem not a Romanian one. Nevertheless Hungarians have full employment rights in the UK since 2011 yet you don't see many there do you?

Why would you say I'm arrogant? A stronger economy is not necessarily a better place to live, for the same reason British people don't migrate to USA, a much stronger economy, just for the sake of the child benefit which is considerably higher there than in the UK.

What 29,000,000? The population of Romania is only 20,000,000. In his teachings Farage keeps mentioning that number of 29 million so it must have got stuck in your mind the wrong way. That's the population of RO and BG put together...

 

How is this a Hungarian problem? I don't know how many Hungarians are here. (No proper records kept, remember?) However, Hungarians just don't seem to have the same reputation enjoyed by Romanians and Bulgarians. You might wail that this is a 'Roma' problem, but we can't discriminate between the Roma and other Romanians and Bulgarians. This isn't just a benefits and (crime) issue either, it's about fully stretched public services, a housing crisis, an energy crisis and a lot of unemployed people already here. The UK is simply too crowded as it is and we want to be able to choose who comes here. Every country does that apart from EU member states.

Seriously? I quoted you ... "You mentioned the last opening of EU borders to Eastern Europe. That was in 2007. That is because people back then were stupid enough" and you can't see the arrogance in this? Calling thousands upon thousands of people you've never met, whose motivations you can know very little about, stupid, is not arrogant?

Of course it isn't, but it's quite a motivator.

British people cannot migrate to the US unless they satisfy the US authorities on lots of different counts, even if they want to, and child benefit in the US is only paid for children who are US citizens IIRC. The EU has free movement of people and we must pay child benefit to anyone working here even if their children live in a different EU state. I hope you're starting to understand the differences between how the US and the EU deal with benefits?

And a 'stronger economy', if it has a higher GDP per capita, is likely to provide greater economic opportunities. It won't make a difference to everyone obviously, but immigration stats throughout Western Europe show that it does make a considerable difference to hundreds of thousands of people.

Farage quotes 29,000,000 as the figure for Romania and Bulgaria combined. The mistake was mine in that I should have made it clear that I was thinking of the number, 29,000,000, our borders are being opened up to next year. And 2.5% of 20,000,000 is still a huge number for us to cope with.

I'm still waiting for you to show how you proved UK benefits are 'worthless'. You have a very irritating habit of making claims then just looking the other way when asked to back them up. It's really difficult to engage in debate with someone who does that!

 

how a 'Roma' family from Rumania usually gets a social flat/house and job in UK, on a train station some Representative of city London meets them a give the keys, money and job?

 

Hungary has proportionally the same number of gypsies as Romania and Bulgaria.

I know my country, and I also knew yours in a way you did not know mine, I'm sure you'll admit to this. What you know about mine is mostly what Farage tells you.

So if you had the opportunity to get US citizenship for all your family, would you get it?

Some of these people do that just to get away from home. It's not always money that motivates them. Often they are just lonely people who seek something new.

The 'benefitic' effect of the benefits gets cancelled by the troubles of moving there, just like litwin pointed out.

Look 80 pounds a month isn't that much translated into Romanian currency, if we speak of the child benefit. Figure that for yourself. The story might be somewhat different for Bulgaria but not for RO. In Romania 80 pounds is just enough to pay for heating, the electricity bill and maybe the TV licence. That's it.

 

You said this is a Hungarian problem. Again, how is it a Hungarian problem? Both Bulgaria and Romania have hundreds of thousands of gypsies. We also have thousands ourselves (and they cause too much trouble already). So what are you saying here? We are still an overcrowded country with the problems I have already outlined. More poor immigrants, especially more poor gypsy immigrants, will only stretch our already overstretched public services even more.

I hope you do know your country, but you don't know mine from my British perspective, and you still don't know the thousands upon thousands of emigrants you call 'stupid', not to mention, of course, dismissing UK benefits as 'worthless'. You're as arrogant as they come! And you're wrong about what I know about Romania and my sources of information. I have Romanian, Polish and Czech friends and colleagues and they and their friends are very open about coming here for purely economic reasons and I don't blame them in the slightest. (I work in the health sector and it employs a lot of immigrants. I have discussed this situation at great length with many of them.) And don't think you know what I know. If you want to know what I know, ask me, but dont make assumptions.

Pointless question. Ask me again if I ever have to live like this and the US opens up citizenship to the Brazilians, Mexicans, Peruvians, Bolivians, Argentinians, etc. Then there are closer similarities to what we are now expected to manage. (If that does happen, then yes, I'm pretty sure I would go for US citizenship.)

Not in dispute, but I'm a realist, and human nature says a much larger proportion are economic migrants.

Your normally excellent command of the English language has let you down. You made 'benefitic' up; there's no such word. I think you probably meant 'beneficial'. And it seems the effect isn't cancelled out. People come back after British authorities pay for them to go back home and more people still arrive every day. You'd think word would get around if the beneficial effects were cancelled out, wouldn't you? If you're going to let arrogance cloud your judgement, don't bother to answer.

So that's how you've think you've proven UK benefits are worthless?! Think again. It's simple maths ... look at the GDP per capita stats. In Romania it's about $8,000, in Bulgaria it's about $7,000, in the UK it's about $39,000. It stands to reason £80 in Romania goes much further than £80 in the UK. And workers here struggle to fund these benefits you find 'worthless' and 'not that much' and the European Commission insists we pay.

Apart from that, Romania itself is concerned about losing its skilled and brightest people to other countries. They can earn more in Western Europe. Simple maths again.

 

EU immigrants are treated as UK nationals. Anyone who wants accommodation goes on a waiting list and hopes. (Like I said ... we have a housing crisis and no areas that can be built on without spoiling our open spaces. (There is a lot of vehement opposition to development here.) Anyone who wants a job applies for it.

 

only on paper , i have a female friend who helps EU immigrants to get those benefits and i help with translation couple of times and i give you 100% in Stockholm de facto it is almost impossible. specially in the poor Municipalities http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_kommuner

 

In reality in the UK. The UK govt is only talking about restricting benefits to immigrants and the European Commission is threatening to see it in court. The govt always caves in under pressure.

 

It is a Hungarian problem since it is a Hungarian politician who took the UK to court as you said.

You don't know mine from my Romanian perspective.

Many of the Romanians living there are people who left 4, 5 maybe 7 years ago. They aren't that up to date with the realities here. A lot has changed economically in just the last 2 years, let alone the last 5 or 7 years, not to mention the last 20 years.

An official figure from the world bank:

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/romania/overview

Things will continue to get better by the day. Also, a positive forecast from the IMF for economic year 2013-2014:

http://www.romania-insider.com/imf-revises-up-romanias-gdp-growth-forecast-for-2013-2014/104656/

tamora... since the year 2000 we've been doubling our GDP every year. That was up until 2009 when the crisis hit everyone hard as you can see in the graph below. But things will get back on track. To double your GDP every year... that's something few countries around the world can do.



http://www.tradingeconomics.com/romania/gdp

That is a phonological metaphor, a deviation from the linguistic norm that I used, an invented word, just to make my point more catchy, like reporters, writers often do. Maybe you don't have a sense of humor. Playing with words is part of the fun in life.

Come to Romania, convert £80 to Romanian currency and see what you can buy with it. Pretty much nothing. This is why I insist so much that I know your country better than you know mine.

I am also concerned about losing skilled people. But they will come back, no question about it.