No hope for black America.

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    um, that is the topic, geesh, the right hate the truth

    like it or not, many on the right did not like Obama cause of his skin color

    yet the right cared nothing about Palin's church saying "God Will Punish America"
     
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  2. Starcastle

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    I have no idea what you are talking about and I'm sure you don't either. People could dislike Obama for things other than his pigmentation. That is not all there is to people.

    I know when some evangelicals said that God allowed 9/11 because of the sins of America president Bush and others on the right pushed back. I think most Americans would prefer a president who does not hate this country.
     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    never said there wasn't, that is my point, not all blacks fit in a box, not all whites, not all the right, not all the left - the right gets it when I say Republicans
     
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  4. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Try getting your priorities in order. Obama was the most power person on earth and you want to portray him as a victim.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a pretty racist comment.
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    How?
     
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    Not when you regard "black people"... no you're not. If you were referring to specific people or thoughts or actions or any particular social movement, that would be quite different from "black people" or "white people" or "asian people", "hispanic people" etc. Those are race groupings and nothing else. Those are based only on race.

    65% of all black people is not "black people" as a whole. This is very important, and you would agree if you were in the 45% of whom X does not apply. It is racist to prejudge people based on race. That's the definition of racial prejudice, and that's the basis of racism.

    You called the US president my president. You specifically attributed this president to me, and you were wrong. I'm not from the USA. You assumed that not because of anything about me, but because you were thinking US-cenric, as I observed.

    First, no, I didn't. Second, doing like you should make me ashamed? Don't think so lowly of yourself.
     
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    Beause it equates a skin colour to a mindset/behaviour.

    It is racist for the same reason as "White people are racist". Being white doesn't make you racist. Some white people are racist, perhaps many, but "White people are racist" is a racist statement, and so is "blacks are addicted to victimology and hate". Presuming somebody who is white is racist is wrong, and a violation of their inidviduality. Same with presuming somebody who is black is addicted to victimology and hate.

    As I wrote in my initial reply to your OP:

    If you argument regarded Antifa instead of "blacks", you would be on target towards making a valid point.
     
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  9. FreshAir

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    anyone can be a victim of racism, even white people
     
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    There is always hope for Americans.

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    Congressman Cedric Richmond claims to speak for all black people. "My community". He tells republicans to just shut the hell up and vote for this bill(police reform) because they are not black enough to know or care.



    He pushes the lie that violence by police against black males is increasing and escalating. That is a lie! He pushes the lie that there is an imminent threat to black men from police.
    65% of blacks like BLM and 90% voted for Joe Biden. So there is hope for the 10%

    FYI 65+35=100.

    If you are not an American than that might be the problem. You do not care that people are ruining MY country. I'm talking about American politics not Myanmar.
     
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    We can dispense with the bullcrap that I'm judging people only based on skin color. I base my opinions on how people think, act and vote. I'm talking about American blacks not immigrant blacks or blacks living in another country so this is not genetic.
     
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    And in doing so, he's being racist. There are numerous black people who don't take kindly to him purporting to speak for them.

    Not so long as you insist on making blanket generalized statements about "blacks", "whites" or "asians"... no, we can't dispense with that fact. If you wanted to talk about Antifa, which includes many black people, and also a bunch of white people and others too, that would get you on your way towards making a point other than a racist statement.

    And if you insist on equating voting for Biden, one of only 2 real contenders in that election, with being hopeless... that is another case of the extreme political polarization and demonization of the other side, part of what makes the USA such a "shithole country" as President Trump put it. Same goes for the people who voted against Trump and declared that anybody who voted for Trump being hopeless (or racist, misogynist, etc).
     
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    Black Americans are not a politically diverse group of people. 42% of whites did not vote for Trump. What if whites became some monolithic 90% voting block for the republican party?

    Antifa is mainly white if you have not noticed.

    We can play with percentages but not enough blacks push back against the constant victimology. Joe Biden could give a speech about hot dogs and he will find some way to work black victimhood into it.

    The Biden administration called highways racist! I'm frankly sick of it.
     
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    The fact that you can't understand why, is part of the problem.

    You are generalizing against 30 million black Americans, & that is considered racist.

    You are accusing 30 million people of very negative attributes simply due to their skin color
     
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    What is the subject of this thread? All black people are excrement? No. So why do people keep posting as if that is the subject?

    If 2/3 of blacks agree with BLM who I consider to be repugnant and the other 1/3 have not shown enough courage to fight their anti American views there is no hope.

    Race relations are worse than they have been perhaps in my lifetime. You can disagree but I do not think white people have changed at all. So tell me why that is?
     
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    This thread is
    Its not our fault that white privilege and racial disparities in law enforcement and police shootings is now coming to light due to cell phones and social media. Would you prefer we NOT know every time police shoot or kill an unarmed black person?
     
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    Because people have come more to identify themselves foremost by race, divide themselves into race categories, etc. Your insisting on saying "black people" instead of "Antifa" or "BLM" is part of this cycle. People claiming to speak for all black people is another part of this cycle.

    You were nearing a very good point about illiberal leftists growing in numbers and power lately and demanding we identify and group ourselves and self identify by race, and prejudge others by race, just as racists on the right do. But you made "black people" the topic instead of individuals (of whatever race) in the above mindset... so... you didn't hit make that point and instead made a racist statement.

    Do you happen to be white yourself? That could be a big part of it. I'm not white or black and I've seen many white people change, as well as many black people change.
     
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    The subject of this thread is black America and race relations in the USA. I did not uniformly say that every black person in America is a piece of crap. They are however in my opinion responsible for causing or allowing race relations to go to hell in this country. That is why I see no hope for the future.

    White people have NOT changed. Meaning white people have not suddenly become more racist or hateful toward blacks. 43% of whites voted for Obama. 41% of whites voted for Biden.

    There has not been a major spike in the number of blacks killed by police. Lies and misinformation spread by politicians and the media is treated as fact.
     
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    Notice that Biden and his mouth pieces will bring up race every day multiple times a day.

    Joe Biden cannot talk about food, dogs, cars or apple pie without slipping in some line about racism towards blacks. His press secretary basically called that officer in Columbus a murderer.

    Where is the push back from black America? You expect it from conservatives but where is black America?

    The lie keeps being pushed without impunity that police killings of unarmed blacks are increased and happening all the time. There have been 3 this year. 18 in 2020 and 12 in 2019.
     
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    White privilege is bullcrap! There are minority groups doing much better economically than whites. It is a lie!
     
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    I think I actually agree with what you mean to say. Your country has not increased in the number of anti-racist minority bigoted white people over the past 60 years. Quite the opposite is true.

    So much so that the social taboo has switched and being racist has become an insult to most people today. This is only because most of us see racism as bad.

    That has opened the door to an increase in "anti-racism", victimology peddling, etc. It also emboldened and encouraged people to highlight racism where it has been previously covered up, which isn't a bad thing, so long as they don't be racist themselves about it, which is a trap people too often fall into.

    Sprinkle in some poor logic and emotional reasoning and the cycle of racism can be fostered instead of broken by people who see themselves as anti-racist.
     
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    White people are the only race on earth that is guilt ridden and self hating for being successful. Many of the cornerstone values of the left have come from white guilt. Climate change especially. Who else in the world thinks like that? People in South Korea and Japan do not hate themselves for being affluent and successful.
     
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    police do not assume criminal activity when they see you.

    if you were black, they would.

    that's white privilege.
     
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    How ironic, as it seems to be all you want to talk about at this forum. ;)
     
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