No, SSI/disability is not handed out like candy!

Which is a double bind because if you’re claiming you can’t work then where do you get the money from? Not applicable in this case but the system tries to grip you up every step of the way. I’m glad you have your sister. I don’t even want to imagine how hard this would be for you.

 

How the heck did you manage to get it done in three months? Our initial denial letter was just over six months after mailing the application. That's amazing.

 

There are certain diagnosis' that are automatic approval on the first go round. My brother was approved on the first go round with Pulmonary Fibrosis.

People with one of these automatic approval diagnosis' would not be going to your sister because it would unnecessarily cost them money.

 

because I did not think this would be such a debate, I just assume in the history or the united states, some get approved on the first time... and i was trying to think of cases that might... I did not expect the blow back over it

remember, your response was "No. Nothing gets approved the first time. Nothing. Not for any reason."

not, it's very rare, ect... but nothing ever, for any reason

 

Apologies. You are right; I wasn't intending to be mean about it.

My sister can't calculate how many hundreds of these she's done. She works with mentally challenged. She can send documentation of a brain injury where the long term prognosis is that the person will be able to feed themselves, and have light conversations, but that's about it. Denied. It doesn't matter how well you document, with medical evidence. Denied. She's got dozens and dozens of examples of people who are obviously going to need help for the rest of their lives and being denied.

They did not even read our application. In the "how much does he make" section of the form, we said he had never had a job. He was denied the first time because he made $3,000/month, which should be sufficient. They never even read the form!!!! My husband called social security immediately, because now we think his identity has been stolen. Nope; the person he spoke with looked up his SS# and it showed lifetime earnings $0.

 

oh, the social security admin has issue for sure, heck you can't even log into the web site at night cause they close it down, it's a web site for cryin out loud

that said, I have known people that struggled to get disability and definitely needed it, and have known those that got it, that really should not of - I think like any job, there are good people that work at the Social Security admin and bad ones... though like the DMV, there is prob lot of cold hearted bad ones

 

The other thing that I find strange is that an applicant is denied medical transport to a doctor that is part of the evaluation for their application for disability but those are the rules. Medical transport can usually take a person to any doctor they request; just not to be evaluated for disability.

 

agree, my guess is they are trying to use these as a means to catch people faking.... if one can fill out all the forms and appeals on their own, they could work for example as that is work

they could solve much of this by having people at the social security admin go out and meet applicants in person before deciding

 

In thirty years, you are the first one I've heard about. I'll take you at your word, but I remain skeptical.

 

Yes, but they can't rely on that because someone can be mentally able to do the paperwork but have a physical disability or someone can get themselves to doctors' appointment but not have the mental capacity to complete the forms.

I think the point is to make it as difficult as possible.

I do know they hire private investigators as I know several people that were followed and even photographed after filing appeals. My guess that is to catch the fakers.

 

Trust me, our son has done exactly zero paperwork. We were clear on the application that he is not competent to fill out paperwork. I can't think of a single piece of paperwork he's ever filled out alone. He needed his girlfriend's help to complete his one and only ever job application.

 

You do not need to take my word for it. The information is out in the public space.

https://www.disability-benefits-help.org/blog/conditions-that-automatically-qualify-for-benefits

 

That's what they claim, but they don't even read the paperwork before denying, so how in the heck would they know if it's a qualifying condition?

 

Usually, the paperwork comes to them electronically. The computer looks for the keywords.

However, I know people that have some of those conditions and they didn't get it on the first try. Maybe they are using "alternative facts" on that site. LOL

 

My brother has one of the automatic diagnosis', and he received it on his first try.

 

If you are going to make declarations that you do not truly know in regards to what they do and do not look at, and then summarily dismiss the published list of automatic qualifiers and that I have pointed out that my brother has one of those diagnosis and received it on the first try, I dont know what else anyone can say. You seem to have your mind made up and nothing is going to change that.

You can lead a horse to water, but indeed cannot make him drink.

 

My son's lifetime earnings were zero at the time. In the income section, we clearly indicated his lifetime income was zero.

He was denied because he earns too much money ($3,000/month.)

Does it sound like they read the paperwork?

 

I'm confused by this comment. In your OP you wrote that it was $4,000 (last phrase). Could it be that they saw that and thought it was monthly income?

 

No, he got a job after we initially filed the paperwork. At the time he was originally denied, it was still zero. It was a few months at the end of 2021 that he had a job, until he got fired for having a screaming fit in front of a customer.

 

OK. Thanks for clearing that up. It sounds like something in the scanned documents triggered that field to be populated with that dollar amount. Hopefully your sister will be able to get it sorted for you all.

 

Well, we have our hearing, so we are hoping for the best. My sister can't imagine a world where he gets denied after talking to someone, so we are hopeful.

 

In your case, one could conclude that they did not read the paperwork, but just because they did not/ do not read the paperwork for your non automatic qualifying condition, does NOT mean that they also do not read the paperwork for automatic qualifying conditions.

You are making assumptions that you cannot possibly know. Most of the automatic qualifying conditions leave the person with a very short time to live so time is of the essence. You are comparing apples to oranges.

 

which should help him, that is my point, if they can fill out vs someone else assisting them

*** not saying someone should be denied for being able to fill out paperwork, I just think they use that as part of a series of ways of filtering people

 

On the contrary, most people with objections to Welfare are only objecting to the MISuse of it.

Most would actually prefer that all the funds are reserved for the young, the aged, and the disabled - precisely so that these delays and refusals don't happen. People in genuine need should not have to face these obstacles. The refusals should be going to the abusers.

 

I forgot how long it was , I believed it was 3 months, but it could have been longer. There was immediate need.