Obama's actions lawful, top legal scholars say-

You lose credibility when you make ill informed comments like that.

 

You know what, I take back my assertion that Reagen's Executive Order on immigration was different than Obama's.
In fact, it's not.
I thought folks were confusing the legislation he proposed for executive order.

In 1986, Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982.

That was not done by executive order, but by Law.

Turns out, spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify.
This incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.

Efforts in Congress to amend the new law to cover family members failed.

In 1987, Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation.

Executive order just like Obama's.

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Last time I checked, Bush had approx. three times as many executive orders as Obama after six years. Your particular argument isn't holding a whole lot of water.

 

He lied to you to get congress to send him a bill that was already approved in the senate. Impeach him for lying.

 

The number of executive orders is not the issue. It's what the emperor is trying to do with those orders that counts.

 

He lied to chump the Republicans (far be it for a president to lie). Why didn't the Republicans call him on it in 2011 and tell him he DID have the authority since they are so expert on the Constitution?

 

Good for him. His job isn't to make happy with Boehner and McConnell and extremists. Besides, you have too much divisiveness within your own party to be worried about Obama.

 

How about the president apologizes the families of anyone deported between the time he said he didn't have the authority to suspend their deportation and the time he decided that he did have the authority to do it.

If he was lying all along, he was toying with real lives.

 

When are you people going to realize what Obama just did was not an Executive Order, but rather an Executive Action? It doesn't matter the amount total of EO's but the legality of an EO, since this was not an EO it makes no difference.

 

Even IF the Republicans come up with a Comprehensive Immigration bill...and Obama actually signed it (which I doubt he will unless he gets to write it himself).....there is no guarantee that this president would implement the actions listed in the law. He would just claim it was his "prosecutorial discretion" to only do the parts he liked....or nothing at all. Nothing will really change here....until he's after office.

 

if the actions were lawful, why did he years ago claim they would not be?

 

Because it wouldn't make sense to tell him he had the authority to do what they were so vehemently opposed to him doing. And because he didn't have the authority.

 

"The group included three law professors from the University of Chicago — where the president taught constitutional law before his election — as well as Columbia University president Lee Bollinger, and renowned Harvard constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe."

He's been wrong before.

 

University of Chicago and Columbia University long ago became pretty much just ideological reflections of Berkeley, and Harvard is -- after all -- where Obama became head of the Harvard Law Review without EVER producing anything for the source itself . . . something never before accomplished by any former head of the HLR. So . . . pretty much the ideological loyalties of all three professors are . . . questionable when it comes to their professional honesty.

 

His job is to be a leader, not a divider. Nice try at deflecting from his failures.

 

So on Oct. 1st 2016, if Obama say's he needs more time to complete his work, he can simply write an EO to cancel the presidential elections, until he can get Congress to change the two term Constitutional Term Limits, to three or four terms. Maybe he will claim it's really not even part of the Constitution, being simply an Amendment and Congress can legislate or revise most such amendments....Or would you agree with any EO, simply because Bush wrote more of them???

 

that's ridiculous, the immigration executive order is lawful and constitutional

when congress cannot agree exactly how to implement a law or program, in effect, this leaves the decision to the federal agencies involved and the president that stands at their head; when congress fails to spell out in detail how a law is to be executed, it leaves the door open for the president to provide those details in the form of executive orders

 

Someone has no clue what is actually in the Executive Order and what is actually does or how it does it.
Ignorance is bliss only for those who are. It's a buzzkill for the rest of us.

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Bottom line is the President has not been granted the power under the oath he took to make laws.
Article II, Sec. 1, last clause, sets forth the President’s Oath of Office – to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”.
Article I, Sec. 7, cls. 2 & 3, grants to the President the power to approve or veto Bills and Resolutions passed by Congress.
It isn't a complex concept. It is unarguably very simple.

 

Hitler had lawyers that would twist the truth too.

The not so smart, like those that were sucked in

by health care buy into it.

obama is a lawless dictator.

 

Are you then saying, that if Congress was indecisive on allowing a third or forth term, Obama could simply write an EO to allow him a third term and postpone the 2016 elections. Remember there are ALREADY laws on legal immigration and how to handle illegal's. It's the executive's job (agreed to under oath) to protect AND ENFORCE THOSE LAWS, not laws as perceived by any one person. Congress is a body of the people, all those allowed to vote and it is that group of the peoples representatives, that make law or revise current law.

 

???? But Congress has agreed as evidenced by the statutes on the books specifying that these people be deported. As opposed to be given SS cards and work permits. The 1986 immigration reform act specifically authorized the Attorney General to allow other illegal immigrants who did not qualify for the amnesty to remain in the U.S. if needed “to assure family unity.” In that case congress failed to spell out in detail how a law is to be executed by the attorney general or how to define family unity and who it would extend to, so Reagan and Bush issued executive orders UNDER the authority granted to the executive by congress under the 1986 legislation. Here Obama is acting without the authority of any congressional legislation.

 

Are any of these scalars named Gruber?

 

This is why there is a FOX News.

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It kinda like if Obama goes to a whorehouse and asks if prostitution should be legal!!!!!