Octopuses, crabs, lobsters recognised as "sentient beings" in UK... but not fetuses

Thanks, but no thanks.

"Claiming", well I guess that must mean it's true.

PS. I had a date with Jennifer Lawrence yesterday. Are you jealous or are you jealous? What do you mean you do not believe me? I am claiming it!

"Very clearly". Lol, no way.

Not even sure why we are discussing this in the abortion, but smells like bs to me.

HAHAHAHA. What is next? You "remember pooping yourself" too?

Couldn't you come up with something less generic than that?

Anyhow, this has zero to do with abortion

 

Are you a Vegan?

 

The point is this is an admission from the Progressive Left that creatures like lobsters can feel pain and distress.

Indeed they KNOW that human fetuses can feel this too, but still abort them.

They are being dishonest with everyone when they tell people that fetuses can't think or feel.

 

WHAT TF does the first sentence have to do with the second? NOTHING.

No, they are being factual and scientific ....and don't compare humans with lobsters...

 

I understand your comparison. Are they still eating lobsters and such?

 

Double standars are common among irrational ideologues. For example, why grant special rights to the unborn that the born don't have? See this thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tion-is-a-right-argument-from-analogy.594701/

 

This is just a hypothetical, but suppose someone ate human fetuses. Would that be cannibalism?
I'm sure it's secretly going on somewhere and we just don't know about it.

 

:yuck: These sea animals are amazing, but people still eat them, so their sentient status is irrelevant. People can decide not to eat animals or not to have an abortion.

The only difference is that, unlike Vegans, those not having abortions don't feel the need to tell everyone!

 

Okay, but just admit that human fetuses are very probably sentient.

 

I cannot admit what I don't know. Is there a single point in time where dividing cells become sentient? Are there different levels? Where do we draw the line? You are free to believe what you like as long as those beliefs remain outside her uterus.

 

But the point is that the majority on the Progressive Left are perfectly willing to recognize that a lobster has sentience.

But commonsense logic tells us that if a lobster has this mental characteristic, then human fetuses almost assuredly have it too.

And one of things that keeps coming up over and over again in the abortion debate is the claim that fetuses don't possess sentience.

So there is obviously something very inconsistent going on in the logic of the pro-choice abortion side.

 

Are you for choice of body autonomy? IE, pro choice?

 

When does a fetus become sentient?
Per your OP above, sentient has these characteristics.

And what does that mean in the UK that they are sentient. I assume they still can be killed for consumption. As they are meat and sea food eaters just like most of the world.

 

Okay, but the prog left is still eating sentient animals. Raising livestock for food is worse for the environment than cars, so what we have is another position of convenience. When people claim to care, their actions speak for them. Progs claim to care about the environment as long as they don't have to do any more than place a "Save The Planet" sticker on their car so people will see it when they are ordering drive thru. Of course, some walk the walk just like some pro-life people do more than wear a t-shirt.

 

When that which once were exaggerations become reality, and it still doesn't register. Kind of reminds me of a former neighbors Wife who would berate and smack their child when he came close. Then she'd gently pick up the family cat, snuggling and kissing and calling it her precious. Not that this was the whole of the family dynamic...just an observation on a number of occasions.

 

yup

 

So whacha in fer? By yer looks and yer hand and leg shackles, it must be something serious.

I narrow my eyes and say, lobster abuse.

All the inmates recoil in absolute horror.

So I spare them the charges regarding the octopus and crab.

 

I think that is a dishonest statement you've made.
Most all will say that at some point in a fetus' term they will be able to feel. Can't say for certain about thinking.
But it takes brainwave activity for anything like those to happen. So prior to brainwave activity, there's no feeling. A person is declared legally dead when brain wave activity ceases.

 

A person is not declared legally dead when theres a good chance they can regain brain activity. Most 'fetuses' are likely to gain brain activity.

 

As I said. Actually all fetus' will gain brain wave activity. Unless they are still born or similar.
Are you arguing with me by agreeing with me?

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All fifty states and the District of Columbia have adopted the Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA). The UDDA also recognizes whole-brain death -- irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain -- as a legal standard of death. A person can be legally dead even if her cardiopulmonary system continues to function.
Legally Dead Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

 

Im saying comparing a brain dead adult that cannot recover with a 'brain dead' fetus that just hasn't developed yet isn't very comparable.

Im only pro-choice because I hate authoritarianism as much as I hate abortion. Both tend to be evil.

 

I never compared the two. Merely pointed out that without brainwave activity, there's nothing going on in terms of pain or thinking.