Of Questionable Legitimacy

Lol the FBI and department of justice don't know enough?

there have been dozens of investigations. All showing you there was no fraud.

They aren't the one who debunked them. The DHS, DOJ, FBI, Attorney General, Republican secretaries of state, Republican governors, and every single court this has been to have shown you there is no fraud.

this is incorrect. The claim of fraud is what needs to be proven. It does not need to be disproven. That is how US law works.

I haven't offered an opinion. I've pointed out legal facts.

You being convinced has no bearing on the objective reality that you are incorrect. There was no fraud.

 

Every issue has two sides. I hear yours. Thanks.

 

Yet you can't address any of the facts provided and prefer to stick to conspiratorial fantasy. Thanks.

No. Every issue does not have two sides. We landed on the moon. There are no two sides. The Holocaust happened. There are no two sides. The earth is not 6,000 years old. There are no two sides. Obama was not born in Kenya. There are no two sides. There isn't a secret satanic pedophile cult under your local pizza parlor. There are no two sides. Trump won in 2016. There are no two sides. And there is no evidence of massive voter fraud, such that Trump could be called the 2020 winner. There are no two sides. Facts are facts, no matter how much they hurt feelings.

There is no excuse for Trump and his followers becoming the biggest threat to American democracy that currently exists.

 

How could they? They haven't investigated it.

There have been recounts conducted by the same people that perpetrated the fraud.

They have certainly expressed opinions that there was no fraud.

Of course and that is a problem. There has been no true investigation so neither side can be proven nor dis-proven. So we have a difference of opinion, not a difference in truth. The truth is unknown.

Sorry, that isn't the way I see it.

What you think is objective reality is really just opinion. Sorry you can't see it.

 

No I just have a different opinion than you have.

Nor is there an issue.

I don't view these as issues either

Oh please a few lawsuits aren't a threat to democracy. Trump has no ability to accept a loss. It is a personality fault. His ego has exasperated a lot of people. But a threat to democracy. C'mon man.

 

Which is why I keep trying to get you to consider facts instead. Which you steadfastly refuse.

Your claim was that there are two sides of every issue. Did you forget?

It's more than a few lawsuits. And I never said it was an existential threat. His attempted coup will fail. I simply said it was the greatest threat, not that it was likely to succeed. And it is. No other group in modern history has made such a concentrated effort to overthrow our democracy. Again, they will fail, but no one has tried harder. That's the point.

 

demonstrably false

you can not demonstrate fraud, so claiming fraud makes you look silly. The recounts are conducted by members of BOTH parties. Are the republican election officials in on the conspiracy to elect a democrat to the white house?

nope. the law says there was no fraud.

again, I have not given an opinion. I've pointed out US law, and that every single investigation to date has shown you there is no fraud.

having no relevance to the fact you are demonstrably incorrect.

I've shown you the bodies who conducted the investigations. that is not opinion, that is objective reality. Your claims are baseless nonsense.

 

We despise methods of voting that increase voter fraud. More absentee voting leads to more voter fraud.

What I don't understand is why the libs despise efforts to reduce voter fraud.

Sad.

 

You have one serious roadblock. Before you can reduce voter fraud, you have to find some. Find any yet? I've heard of a handful. Republicans. I have an idea. Take away Republicans' voter rights. Problem solved. No more fraud.

 

They have you fooled. That is obvious to me.

 

Bah!

[/quote]Your claim was that there are two sides of every issue. Did you forget?[/quote]

No but you forgot that I explained that your examples were not issued.

[/quote]It's more than a few lawsuits. And I never said it was an existential threat. His attempted coup will fail. I simply said it was the greatest threat, not that it was likely to succeed. And it is. No other group in modern history has made such a concentrated effort to overthrow our democracy. Again, they will fail, but no one has tried harder. That's the point.[/QUOTE]

Bah! Please ignore my posts. I'm not buying any of this misguided garbage.

 

Republicans conspiring to install a democrat to the White House has me fooled? Do you honestly not see how retarded your position is?

 

Well I tried to get you to stop. I have failed but I am finished responding to you.

 

It's a worldwide conspiracy against Trump, and only those with special spy glasses can see it. Makes sense.

 

Huh?

The only way your claims can be true is if republicans are conspiring to install a democrat in the White House.

 

So I guess the grifters behind the Lincoln Project who were attacking Trump from the left were not Republicans?

 

So this election, the one in which we expanded absentee voting to an astronomical scale, is the election in which the least fraud happened, even though that is in contradiction to the logical conclusion of the nature of absentee voting, which leads to 50 times more voter fraud than in-person voting? And the only fraud that did happen was Republican voters for Trump? What a grand imagination you have, my dear! You can defend the legitimacy of Biden's win in a sobering, fact-based way; but you all on the left side of this forum go out of your way to paint a fantastical portrait on Biden's supposed voter-fraud-free victory. It's laughable.

 

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

That was great. Build a huge strawman then compliment me on my imagination. You get an A+.

 

Not a strawman. I am simply paraphrasing what you are saying.

 

Lol. If you say so dear. Will you be here all week?

I ask you to show me the fraud, and instead, you show me what you think I said. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're good. Gotta hand it to ya.

 

Huh?

 

Why are you making **** up? Absentee ballots are not in any way 50 times the fraud of in person voting.

 

I guess, according to your reasoning, GWB was an illegitimate president:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-jul-15-mn-22649-story.html

He won the absentee ballot vote in Florida by 135,000, but the overall state by only 537 votes. Do you agree that he was illegitimate?

 

Do you not read what you write?

You were engaging in an argument from personal incredulity with our friend @fmw , saying:

In other words, you are implying that it would be bizarre that Republicans would want to install a Democrat in the White House. I countered that by saying:

The Lincoln Project is a group of pro-establishment Republican grifters that were very clearly trying to get Joe Biden, a Democrat, installed in the White House, my point being that it is not a far-fetched notion to think that Republicans would want to install a Democrat in the White House.

 

Right. Nobody told the observers to leave. They made that decision on their own.

The counters are not required to stop counting if observers leave. It would be dumb to give that much power to observers.

"Hey; we're going to Disney for three days. We'll let you get back to it on Monday."