On Cooks 97% Concensus on Climate Change

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which, of course, would not be unusual since coming out of the Little Ice Age but then, this is just common sense.
     
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    The Little Ice Age was simply a return to normal after the Medieval climate optimum preceding it. Earth has been cooling since the beginning of the current interglacial.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Except, of course, for the warming periods like the Medieval Warming Period.
     
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    Which was only a local manifestation of the Medieval climate optimum and not a global warm period.
     
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    You just linked to an abstract that you characterized as the latest research.
    That abstract claimed that when corrected for certain oscillating phenomena, the temperature shows a steady increase over the last 100 years.
    Are you saying that you linked to BS?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aren't you pleased we are coming out of the ice ages?
     
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    This particular paper attributed the rise in temperature to increased CO2....
     
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    You're about 10,000 years late on that announcement.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's nice. Where are the Carbon Dioxide scrubbers?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ice ages last a long time. Funny how they think if I drive a tiny car it will stop the ice age from leaving.
     
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    That's right, the last ice age lasted about 100,000 years, but it ended a little over 10,000 years ago. We weren't expected to enter another ice age for another 50,000 years so that was never the problem.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The last interglacial lasted 15,000 years. The first warming period started 15,000 years ago with a sudden and drastic cooling dip called the Younger Dryas about 13,000 years ago when all the big animals, mastodons, camels, giant ground sloths, and saber-toothed cats, all vanished which some believe was caused by an asteroid.. There may not be much time left in this interglacial if it truly started 15,000 years ago.
     
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    So you insist that it's not real, and you join the GOP, the masters of nonsense, in opposing science on this issue, and the proof is, Republicans have been able to block action on it.

    Republicans also managed to block regulation of credit default swaps, and the financial collapse that resulted was real enough...
     
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    The timing of glacials and interglacials is not constant. The last interglacial lasted only 5,000 years while the two before that lasted 50,000 and 85,000 years. Fortunately, since glaciation is dominated by Milankovitch cycles, they are very predictable, and they show that the current interglacial would likely last another 50,000 years.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Eemian started approx. 130,000 years ago and ended 115,000 years ago. Do the math. During the last interglacial it was as much as 6C warmer than today.

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7433/full/nature11789.html
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get a kick out of the BS artists who protest this alleged man caused warming.

    First, get it straight. Politicians globally do not care. They don't believe it either.

    Proof you ask for?

    I hate repeating myself but they don't take any of it seriously.

    Why do you think it is you doing the whining? Why would you need to whine man is this dirty SOB warming the planet, when they are paid for it?

    When one of them mutters it is your fault, fire back at him that we have had something like an 18 year period of no warming.

    Hit him with this.

    [video=youtube;HeCqcKYj9Oc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCqcKYj9Oc[/video]
     
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    And the Hoxnian before that started approx. 424,000 years ago and ended 374,000 years ago. No matter how you do the math, the length of interglacials is not a constant. Just because the Eemian only lasted 15,000 years doesn't mean the current one will too.
     
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    Because when you have nothing to support your argument, lying is your only recourse.

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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still getting your info wrong. The Hoxnian Stage corresponds to the Holstein Interglacial. The Holstein interglacial lasted 20-22k years. There is one paper out that says the Holocene 'may' last 50k years based on solar insolation, Loutre and Berger (2003) .

    Others say this is unfounded. What is key is the trigger for the cooling period and during the Holstein the trigger could be solar insolation which ended when insolation dipped below the median which it has now during the Holocene.

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    Misinformation seems to be yours. Why do you keep showing a graph that does not represent the pause? If we are talking about the pause the correct years would be appropriate.
     
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    Did you read this report below?

    Professsor Ross McKitrick says in a new paper that the warming pause has now lasted an astonishing 19 years at the surface and 16-26 years in the lower troposphere.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...g_for_19_years
     
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    The Hoxnian Stage corresponds to the Holstein Interglacial because they are the same thing. Hoxnian is the name given to the geologic period in Great Britain while Holstein is the name assigned in northern Europe. Both are a result of Marine Isotope Stage 11 which lasted 150,000 years.

    And since the change is solar insolation during the Holstein (Hoxnian) was caused by the same orbital cycles evaluated by Berger and Loutre (2003), how does this refute their analysis?

    Because the current "pause" you speak of didn't start 18 years ago. Global warming has only been on hiatus since 2001.

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    ...hmmmm,...
    Funny.

    Maybe the science editors had it removed?
    The whole Global Warming subject is now consider taboo by the science culture.
     
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    Hmmm,...
    A volcano explosion could drive that curve way down.

    In fact, we had one in the last ten years which may be why the curve is down now.
     
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    Isn't that just 'weather?'
     

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