One of the bests explanations of Christianity

The concept of Hell that most Christians teach and believe does not come from the Bible......it came from the pagans. There will be no never ending suffering in Hell......the Bible never said God was going to give unrepentant sinners never ending life in Hell......that is a gift that God gives only to the righteous......what the wicked gets is death.

 

The concept of the righteous and worthy versus unrighteous, wicked and unworthy; is simply an absurdity created of the mind!
Adherence to these concepts only prevents the mind from envisioning an expression of humanity where every life and every mind is fulfilled.

Concerning these purported unrighteous.
If you were born with an identical genetic makeup, with identical influences and met with identical circumstances.... Would you have chosen differently?
If you believe we all have a choice regardless of circumstance, you must adhere to the declaration that you would have chosen differently.... The answer being yes.

This is basic contemplative reasoning..... There are two possibilities in this scenario.
#1
Your physical form is identical. Your mind is identical; hence, your thought process is identical. We can only conclude that your choice would also be identical.... The answer would therefore be NO!
#2
Each of us is given a soul in this scenario that is not identical, as a result, one soul would have the innate quality to differentiate within said choice, while another one would not.
Since scenario #2 is the only viable option to support your answer, then let us examine further.
Who provided us with this soul? And what is the motive?
There are two more scenarios.
#1
God provided us all with a very unique soul. If God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent; God would also know the outcome of placing this specific soul within it's specific genetic makeup, influence and circumstance. God would also have a motive in matching this soul with it's influence, knowing whether or not it will be able to differentiate a choice within said circumstance.
If God is truly omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent; what is the motive?
#2
God is not omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent... Being the creator of all things, God has created a law that governs even himself. God has created chaos, and it now rules everything.
God provides every individual with a very unique soul and only has knowledge that it might succeed or that it might fail.
The aspect that becomes completely senseless is that God provides reward or punishment to something even he has no choice in.

Seeing as option #2 is completely senseless and absurd.... Option #1 is the only sensible scenario.... Now let us examine this further!

God has provided us all with a very unique soul with full knowledge of whether it will succeed or fail in it's choice, given it's influence and circumstance of physical embodiment. In result, there must be a motive in pairing the soul with it's embodiment, having one succeed and another fail, with full knowledge in doing so.

So, by this simple logic, is there unrighteousness with God?

Logic and reason contradict concepts of righteousness for the fact that if you travel far enough within the free expression of humanity, righteousness is an impossibility if a single life is left behind!

 

Logic and God don't go together. God can create a rock he cannot move and he can move it. If God exist this is a test of faith and the believer must move on from this to understand truth. Logic cannot prove the absence of God, it can only question it. The christian God is all about love. I think the person who started this thread is obsessed with God as the great judge, but I don't think christians have to share this view to be faithful. In fact I think is harmful to their spiritual growth.

 

If that's the case then you can't condemn a person that commits a crime. It would mean that nothing is wrong with married couple not being faithful to each other, that pedophile with be fine if one so chose to engage in that.

 

This sentence doesn't make any sense whatsoever, however I will respond and simply ask you some questions!

As far as condemning, no we absolutely cannot condemn a single life or mind..... Now we have the freedom to open our own minds and have a real discussion.

Lets discuss the pedophile and ask your mind some questions surrounding it..... Have you ever had the urge to molest a child, but simply chose not to entertain that urge? How about a woman, have you ever had the urge to rape a woman, but simply chose not to entertain such an urge? What about murder, you ever had the urge to murder someone, but simply chose not to entertain it?

I for one have never had the urge to molest a child, rape a woman or murder another life; such an act to my mind is an impossibility. Nor has any such act at any time in my life entered into my mind as a choice..... It has always been an impossibility!
With such knowledge, it becomes preposterous to believe that the mind would choose such an urge for itself, without such an urge preexisting or having been conditioned within the mind..... Let us further advance the thought and understand that the mind must contain such an urge for it to then enter into an aspect of choice; regardless, the urge is there!
We have a couple options here, either such an urge is genetically predisposed, it is socially conditioned, or it is a combination of the two.
This is the simple application of logic here, not the haphazard wielding of belief.

So now, lets discuss what this declares of an omniscient God.
If it is genetically predisposed, then it is God 'himself' that has created this anathema.
If it is socially conditioned, then it is the body of humanity which has created it.
If it is a combination of the two, it speaks no less of God's omniscience for the simple fact that; with the knowledge of pairing this genetic predisposition within it's social conditioning, it would in effect create such a urge; the answer being the same as the first!

These are the only possible conclusions! So, how does the mind come to terms with these conclusions?

If God is the creator of this anathema, he has condemned the life since it's conception, and being it's orchestrator is also it's source of urge..... So with full knowledge of outcome, is God the actual pedophile, rapist and murderer?
Now, if it's socially conditioned, perhaps even a conditioning that has entered itself into a genetic predisposition; undeniably, there is something seriously wrong with the body and expression of humanity. Every time we condemn a life within this incomplete and severely lacking expression, we have condemned our own to exist within it!

Would you like to let go of highly irrational and condemning beliefs, and begin discussing a real solution?

 

That is your right and free will, and that is the hell that Jesus is trying to save you and us from.

 

I think that free will gives people a choice. God created choice and he gave man the ability to reason and to question. With the ability to reason and question comes the ability to doubt.

Why would God give man the ability to doubt if he expected blind obedience ? If God wanted blind obedience man would have been created as a robot that does nothing but worship God all day long. Obviously God had another purpose in mind. This purpose is perhaps for us to figure out for ourselves the difference between right and wrong.

The last point is about "the law of God". What is the law of God ? Is the Bible the law of God ?

The Bible contains many laws, some contradict each other. In such a case which do we follow.
Many different religious leaders claim all kinds of laws from the Bible and these differ from one organization to another. Which is right.

Some say drinking and dancing is evil. Some say abortion is evil. Some say sex is bad. Some say polygamy is good .. others say no.

Adultery laws in the OT stated that women were not allowed to have sex with anyone but their husbands. There was no such prohibition for men, they could have sex with someone other than their wife so long as the woman was not married to someone else. The NT says something completely different.

Almost all of the patriarchs had multiple wives. Surely Moses knew what Gods Law was did he not ?
The laws of Moses command abortion in certain cases.

Then we have the problem with knowing what in the Bible is God's law and what was put there by man.

The OT was not written down until 1000 years after Moses.

We know that the hand of man has made numerous mistakes and translation errors, additions and ommisions over the years with respect to the NT.

How on earth do we know what is the law given by Jesus and what is not given the number man made changes to the Bible and the fact that the people that wrote the Bible had not even met Jesus.

 

The "real" Jesus may well have been trying to save us from hell. Unfortunately, Christians of today do not seem to have a good understanding of what Jesus taught.

 

Now I want to address the aspect of faithfulness.....

I for one want to enter into a relationship where my counterpart has every aspect of their desire fulfilled by our love, where the idea of being unfaithful is an absurdity to their mind.
I don't want anything less than that in my life, for the simple fact that such an exchange would not be fulfilling to my mind.
With this knowledge, anyone that would even have the slightest urge to be unfaithful is not deserving of what I have to offer, and vice versa!

This is not an aspect of choice, entering into this type of relationship, unfaithfulness becomes an impossibility!

Now here is the contradiction to such a reality, having an urge to cheat but choosing not to entertain it?????

The bible doesn't explain the aspect of mind within a faithful union and unconditional love where the act of being unfaithful becomes an impossibility. There is a distinct reason that it doesn't!!!!
During the time the bible was written, daughters were sold into marriage where they became the subjugate property of the man. It was the ego of man that wrote the bible discussing unfaithfulness as a punishable sin using the fear of God as a tool of control.

The bible does not advance knowledge by explaining that an individual entering into a relationship with a single urge beyond it, has robbed themselves of experiencing the true expression of love; nor does it explain that you should never desire to enter into, or maintain a relationship that offers anything less, that doing so also robs you of the same true expression!

The use of fear and threats speaks volumes of where these laws originated from! It also has minds believing that individuals should live a lie by maintaining a relationship where one or both have potential urges beyond it!!

 

so Christianity is god saying do what i want or die not do what i want or suffer good to know

 

That is why there are very limited number of Saints;
Always hoped that I'd be an apostle
Knew that I would make it if I tried
Then when we retire we can write the gospels
So they'll still talk about us when we've died
(Jesus Christ Superstar)

 

Christianity is guiding you to know what is good and not to suffer everlasting pain from not knowing.

 

Jesus hung in glib delight upon his cross. He did not die for me.

 

All that is mute because the fact is there are people who think about and engage in these things, so based on your previous argument you can't condemn them for it.

God made us with the ability to chose and control our desires and not the other way around.......like God told Cain about his attitude we must master it. But he chose instead to let his anger and hate control him and the result was he became the first murderer. Even so, most people allow there desires to control them and we have the world that we see today.

 

Fortunately for you and all of humanity it was not anyone of us choice to make.........He did it whether anyone wanted Him to or not.

 

Seems to be more about someone determining what’s good and bad for you regardless of how you feel and backing it up with threats and promises of rewards

 

Always thought god didn’t like plants and was into the smell of burning meat and that’s why he snubbed cain and cain just got pissed doff about it and killed his brother granted that’s probably to extreme an action and he should have been angry at god not his brother

 

That is exactly what I said, I explained it using simple logic and repeated it!

So will you actually extend yourself and answer any of the question posed in order to test such a declaration, or are you simply content with repetitious condemnation?

It's actually quite simple, I used simple logic to support my position..... If that logic is flawed, certainly it would be very easy to refute it by explaining a different position using superior logic; can you show where you have made a single attempt to do so?

 

So you are saying, if the government becomes tyrannical and decends into total dictatorship the worst mankind has ever seen and begins to put people in concentration camps, there in your view there is nothing wrong with that, correct? People that engage in all sort of deprave antisocial behavior it is not wrong as far as you are concern, am I correct? If someone breaks into your house and takes what he wants you would have no problem with that, right? Your morality or the lack there-of, is a prescription for anarchy and the total and complete break down of society.

People's ignorance of their purpose and why God made humans in the first place tend to make foolish statements like those you mentioned. God laid down the rules (I don't have time right now to get into all the details of why God did this), and also told us the consequences for violating those rules........if we chose to disobey after He has told us what will be the result of our disobeying there is no one to blame but ourselves. Mankind chose to learn its lesion the hard way, and God is very willing to allow us to do that because that is the only way the vast majority of human beings will be convince that God's way IS the ONLY way that works.

 

How is it that you find it necessary to ask a question by projecting some absurdity when I have already clearly answered the question?

At what point do you get that I am OK with the current expression of humanity by what I have said?
Did you miss the part where I asked if you would like to discuss a real solution?

Funny, you don't have time to refute simple logic, but you have time to repeat the same drivel and ask questions that I've clearly already answered..... Great example, no?

 

Then you are part of the problem. You ask for solution but it is beyond your ability to understand what the solution is even if it was explained to you.

You have no logic.....just excuse and justification for doing evil, confusion and passing blame on God.

 

There you go again, then if I have no logic it should be so very easy to refute..... Can you point to where you have directly responded to anything I have said?
And I'm making excuses?
You have followed the typical path of almost every Christian on this forum, avoidance, repetition, accusation and denial!

I have never avoided a single question on this forum, you have avoided every question I have posed and every aspect by which we might have a sensible discussion that engages in thought!
The reality is, right or wrong I am OK with all of it; at the end of it all, it is a sharing of knowledge.

I am thoroughly disappointed!

 

No reason to worry about it. None of us knows what is on the other side.

Better to live your life trying to make this world a better place rather than spending your time speculating about the afterlife and basing your actions on those speculations.

There is plenty of work to do while here on Earth .. dreaming about the afterlife is more of a hinderence to progress.

God gave you a brain to reason and to question. If God had wanted you to blindly follow the writings of man and the visions of man written in some book then there is no need for reason and questioning.

 

That is what Jesus Christ was doing, trying to make this world a better place and for that he was crucified, for that they want to erase him by claiming no such Jesus existed, for that they want to distort all his story and history.

Understanding life after death is what makes most of us live a fruitful and unselfish life here on earth.

Yes God gave me and us all the brain to reason and question and the free will at the same time we all are not created the same, there can be only one Jesus Christ, there can only be one Einstein, Newton, etc. And the people needs good leadership that is why I follow Jesus Christ.

 

Actually, what I should have done is ignore you entirely (which I'm going to do after this) because I have been through this before with others...............your attitude is only to find fault, and as long as you maintain that attitude you will never understand anything about God and His word.