Only Trump Can Save America

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Broad sweep claims which are simplistic are never accurate.

    The border problem is complex, and will need a comprehensive policy, which the right do not want to cooperate with Democrats to address. They just want to bellyache and do nothing in order to score cheap political points to get Trump elected, whose immigration policies amounted to child abuse.
     
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    Incorrect. Most democrats don't care about the loss of life and support abortion being legal in all circumstances. Meanwhile the majority independents and Republicans are willing to discuss the issue to reduce the loss of life. They support some limitations and don't support abortion in the later terms when the child has developed a functioning brain, heartbeat and has signs of recognizing and responding to stimulus. Basically when the hunk of flesh becomes an experiencing human life.

    It's even worse for the Democrats because they are on a trajectory of more of their members supporting late term abortion and having no restrictions whatsoever on abortion.
     
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    Even if true that still doesn't change the fact that Biden isn't enforcing the laws that already exist. Why create more laws that Biden will then ignore? We aren't stupid. We know that any deal made won't be to secure the border. They will ask for something ad then continue to ignore the law. Frankly we need to make laws in Texas and other states that if federal officials don't uphold federal laws, they can be arrested.
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

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    That's horse manure and not based on evidence or fact, and it's simplistic devoid of nuance and context which the subject requires.
    Specious argument, we're talking about a comprehensive policy that will give the DHS the resources to get the job done. Enforcing the laws doesn't account for the constraint of not having the resources' to do the job. You're argument barks up the wrong tree.
     
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    • The cost of border enforcement has hit record highs for the past five years, with total overall budgets surpassing $20 billion.
    • The annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased more than tenfold since 1993.
    • The number of U.S. Border Patrol agents have nearly doubled from 2003 to 2018.
    • Since its founding in 2003, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) spending has grown 103 percent.
    Yet Biden still can't get the job done and misuses the resources to escorts illegals into the USA instead of preventing them from entering or sending them back.
     
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    Yes I could have but I didn't.
     
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    Your opinion differs from mine. No fallacy there.
     
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    No, they exist because he is running for president. We simply disagree.
     
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    And for the price of an anchor baby, you can own a piece of the American pie.
     
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    No they aren't. That he was not authorized is a legal opinion, not a fact. That he was authorized is another legal opinion. Trump offered to return them. Instead they indicted him. Then he refused to return them. These are all political prosecutions.
     
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    I have spent years asking for the result in writing of an investigation of fraud. All I get are comments about court cases that didn't happen and results of ballot count audits. Those aren't investigations of voter fraud. So now you are going to direct me to the report about fraund investigation, right?
     
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    True, but this is the first time in history that a president has worked actively to condone and even encourage more illegal immigration. I suppose that was lost on you. Never in history has the "border problem" been so problematic.
     
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    You can have your abortion and I will raise you one corrupt justice system.
    Nothing terrorizes Mr. & Mrs. Normie is the thought of the law coming after you for simply because it can. The middle class realizes lawfare wins through bankruptcy, with a big, fat, motivated government stripping them of their assets for minor infractions.
    There is nothing worse than a crooked government. That is why so many rich foreigners come here: freedom from bribes, no show jobs with paychecks, intimidating folks showing up at your office.
    Trump has become the poster child for fear.
     
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    Please tell us who was arrested for building this in broad daylight the day before..
     
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    It's not a legal opinion.

    On Jan 20th 2021 at noon, Joe Biden took the oath of office and became President of the United States. At that moment any authorization Trump had to possess any documents relating to the national defense were removed. He was no longer President, he was not authorized to have those documents.
     
  16. Patricio Da Silva

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    We can multi task, the border needs more resources.

    Wake up.
     
  17. Patricio Da Silva

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    Never before in history has 81,000,000 people voted for a president.

    Never before in history have a lot of things that happened that have never happened. Such as:


    But none of the above are the fault of the President so, congratulations, you have committed a classic post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacy which translates to "after this, therefore because of this." This is a logical fallacy that assumes a cause-and-effect relationship simply because one event follows another in time.

    And you think if Trump is elected that there won't be more increases that are the natural course of history when they occur?

    Trump wants to deport DACA kids. That is a nonstarter with Dems.

    Trump's zero tolerance policy has led to 2200 kids losing their parents permanently.

    Trump had a cruel, inhumane, border policy, close the door on asylum seekers. That's a non starter with dems.

    With Trump, we'll have a return to cruelty because with Trump, cruelty IS the point.

    No way in hell is Trump a better president.

    Donald Trump is a child abusing, sex abusing, con man, pervert, criminal who shouldn't even be allowed to run, let alone be, President.

    (And, fellow liberals, feel free to use any of the above in your arguments).
     
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    Certainly things were better while Trump was president than they are under Bribed Joe.

    On the Open Border, I was certainly discouraged that ACB didn't stand with us.

    Amy Coney Barrett Says Ruling For Open Border Has Nothing To Do With Landscaping Work She Needs Done This Summer.

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    "My plans to have a nice row of Elm trees planted along the southern fence of my backyard has nothing to do with my vote to allow more gardeners, er, I mean illegal immigrants, into the country," Justice Barrett explained.

    'The Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 vote against Governor Greg Abbott's efforts to stop the flow of illegal immigrants entering the United States through Texas's southern border. Justice Barrett voted to allow border patrol agents to remove razor wire placed there by Texas officials, a move she said has nothing to do with her search for a landscaping crew that's affordable and will work for cash payments.'

    "My yard plans have nothing to do with my vote to allow the river of illegal migrants to continue to pour across the border," Justice Barrett said. "Now, if Governor Abbott happens to send a bus of hard-working cheap laborers up to the East Coast and I happen to pick up a few of those laborers in the parking lot of my local Home Depot and they happen to install a nice flagstone path between my deck and backyard veggie garden, so be it."

    'As of publishing time, Justice Barrett had downloaded the language-learning app Duolingo on her phone and was learning all the ways to say "I want Kentucky Blue Grass planted over there by the rock wall, please," a move she says has nothing to do with her most recent judicial decision.'
     
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    You should watch Fox news to see the videos they make every day. You should listen to the reports from leaders of the border patrol and local Americans in the area. You don't have a clue. The administration has invited the illegal immigration, supports it and assists illegal immigrants. Why do you think illegal immigration is the number one issue for voters this year? Perhaps the border patrol leaders suffer from post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Sorry you wasted your time.
     
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    Yes I know. It is a legal opinion.
     
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    It's a legal opinion in the same way that driving with a BAC of .1 is considered DUI in Virginia is a "legal opinion"

    Then I guess you have a "legal opinion" that contradicts that. What is it?
     
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    That was kinda funny.
     
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    If this was even a slight bit true, then, America would be doomed.
     
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    I explained to you what it means and you ignore the principle.

    No, it is YOU who doesn't have a clue.

    You're not getting it

    First, allow me to remind you that no president in history has solved the border problem. As persecution increases in foreign countries, as long as coyotes lie to them, and they are making billions lying to them so that is not going to stop, the numbers are going to increase.

    There is a comprehensive bill to double.triple resources on just about everything, because the huge flow demands it, and without additional resources, you're barking at the wind.

    But republicans don't want to do anything, they, like you just want to bellyache about it in order to score cheap political points while the border continues to be a problem. Republicans think in simplistic terms and they don't grasp the complexity of the problem.

    The problem is way way way beyond executive order solutions.

    republicans, prove you are sincere and sign the damn bill, or at least allow it on the floor where you guys can amend it, debate it etc., but your side won't even do that.

    You guys are clearly wasting time.
     
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    Trump and his lawyers have one. You can look it up.
     

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