Our lives are cut short by what we eat

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Most importantly, most of those things had demonstrable ill health effects. They do not revolve the silly notion of people living to the ripe old age of 900 a few thousand years ago.
     
  2. MisLed

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    Man's life expectancy has been getting shorter and shorter especially since the time of THE FLOOD. Has something to do i think with the sin nature. There's a cap on human life expectancy. 120 years. Additionally. There is no food that humans can't eat as so stated in the NT. The only thing menioned is the amount...such as in no gluttony etc.
     
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    However there are no verses that say we can eat shellfish now are there?
     
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    marleyfin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What? Are you trying to say that people didn't live 800 900 years, it is clearly stated in the bible that they did.

    People 2000 years ago did have a chance of living to the same ripe old age we do today it just was more of an anomaly. I don't know if our diet today is more unhealthy or healthier than that of people 2000 years ago. Today we have highly processed foods but it is more varied and I would think there is less chance of becoming ill from bad food, especially if you compare market meat of today and that of 2000 years ago. Not sure which one would come out winning.
     
  5. MisLed

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    hahahah

    dude. come on. You're a smart guy and we're not as dumb as you like to pretend. Dietary laws set Israel apart.
    Mark 7:19 All foods are clean.

    Romans 14:1-23 teaches us that not everyone is mature enough in the faith to accept the fact that all foods are clean. As a result, if we are with someone who would be offended by our eating “unclean” food, we should give up our right to do so as to not offend the other person. We have the right to eat whatever we want, but we do not have the right to offend other people, even if they are wrong. For the Christian in this age, though, we have freedom to eat whatever we wish as long as it does not cause someone to stumble or be offended.
     
  6. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    A contradiction to the OT.

    Kind of makes you think the OT is more cultural than divine law does it not?
     
  7. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Water can't exist at that altitude. It would vaporise and disperse and probably just find its way back into the lower atmosphere. The flood myth is based on the flat-earth model with a solid "vault" of heaven that was keeping "the waters above" from falling down and flooding the Earth.
     
  8. politicalcenter

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    The body takes the food you eat and breaks it down.

    You need 20 amino acids for your body to make protein and you need sugar for energy.

    Most vegetarian diets have to be balanced in order to get "complete" protiens. And if you think it is a natural thing that people should not eat meat why do we have cannine teeth?

    You can eat whatever you want...but my ancestors were eating meat long before the FDA.

    Please don't come in and try to tell me how to eat...or what to feed my children.
     
  9. MisLed

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    no it isn't. See. Testament is like a will, a contract. There's the Old Testament which has been supplanted by the NEW testament. Some of the terms are the same..just like in a will and some are different and refer to other heirs. understand?
     
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    Actually, the evidence is very solid that
    the extremely rapid melting of the Younger Dryas,
    would have made for flooding of Biblical Proportions..

    With Millions of Cubic Miles of Water Locked up as ice,
    with geological evidences of mass floodings..
    with similar legends from the very oldest oral histories of ancients of FLOOD from all over this planet - both hemispheres
    and, with in the space of one year.. the temp rising 15 degrees Fahrenheit (even 1 degree becomes a deal),
    there cannot be any question that the melting of an ice age, by definition, creates unspeakable volumes of rushing waters;
    That THE BIG ONE really occurred .. ushering in the Holocene..

    It happened.

    You must go back to THE drawing board.

    Shall I recommend some study for your edification?
     
  11. King of Fishers Island

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    water can exist at ANY altitude

    in either solid, liquid UND gaseous form.. depending UPON the altitude, of course..
     
  12. politicalcenter

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    I thought this was about food and if you are going to use the Bible to support a vegetarian lifestyle I would have to ask about the sacrifice at the altar and how they divided up the meat among the people.

    And as far as the flood goes...how come there are kangaroos only in and around Australia...did they swim there?
     
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    The water would have had to come from underground...seeing as "The Fountains of the Deep" were opened up.
     
  14. 4Horsemen

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    many of the chemicals and preservatives used in the production of foods by the manufacturers, along with thall the distorted hormones from the animal products(ie- adrenalin shock upon instant death),pink slime, etc..go into the food, then into your body when you cook it. those are the things that kill you, not the food itself. your body digests that as much as possible, but the animal hormones and fat, and chemicals, don't leave the body.


    you need the correct amino acids to make the needed protein, not the red40 they put in all the foods. and white bag sugar is pure poison, not one once of nutrition in it and it doesn't provide an speck of energy. It really should be considered a drug and banned. Our bodies can't digest that stuff and it's not wonder diebetes is so rampant in America.

    pure agave or sugar from organic fruits is all the sugar our bodies need for energy, not kool-aid and sodas and sugary cereals. that's all crap. and over time lead to many diseases.

    Youur canine teeth are only strong enough to rip an apple, that's it.

    Your teeth structure is nothing compared to a Lion or a Hyena, whose teeth are design to ripp through a carcass with razor-sharp precision. why do think we have to cook meat until it's soft enought to eat? if your canines were so strong why not eat it raw?

    Our mouths are not even designed to hold huge amounts of meat at one time. our teeth are designed like grazing and munching animals, such as deer

    So please don't try to compare your canines to that of a beast that's meant to eat meat.
     
  15. MisLed

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    There are certain vitamins and minerals that humans get from protein that we don't get in proper amounts if we avoid meat. B12 for instance, Iron.
     
  16. 4Horsemen

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    B12 is found in carrots, kale, brocholli, almonds, the list goes on.

    the FDA has been lying to us for decades. approving the poisoning of many people
     
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    You have created your own fantasy about my post. Please stop claiming I said something I did not.
     
  18. politicalcenter

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    Sugar is a natural craving and in moderation is not harmfull.

    And food sells well when it looks good...and does not sell at all when it is spoiled.

    Without the FDA (whom I dislike) many more people would die from alphatoxins, E coli, saturated fat, and many other things.

    At least with the FDA you know what you are eating...they have to tell you...its the law.
     
  19. FreshAir

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    yet were all living longer...

    course we all know a restricted calorie diet is better for you, but is it the number of years or the quality of years that counts?

    we will help them when they fall just like the jock who hurts his joints running marathons or whatever, we wont just leave them on a curb to suffer...

    I do see taxes coming for junk food though, it will replace the shrinking revenue from the cigarette tax

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    with the recent pink slime news we know that some companies are not so forth coming with that information as they should be

    if I want pink slime I will eat a hot dog


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    Pink slime was beef...finely textured beef.

    They just used more of the cow and I have heard of no ill effects from the consumption of it.
     
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    I think the consumer has a right to know those things, so they can make informed choices

    that was very misleading "finely textured beef" it was parts of cow, not sure I would call it beef

    could be worse though I suppose

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20072270-71/japanese-scientist-creates-poop-burger-surely-not/

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  23. politicalcenter

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    I raise as much of my own food as possible.

    That way I know what I am getting and how it was raised.

    Nothing is wasted...the cows eat grass, and what the pigs won't eat the chickens will.

    What we eat at home is so much better than what we can get anywhere else. The only time we eat out is to give my wife a break from housework and garden work.

    I am just not a vegetarian...I just love a porterhouse steak cooked in olive oil...jucy...tender...and oh so good!

    And bacon...oh yeah...bacon.
     
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    Mmmmm, bacon.

    Breaking it down to the most important factor:

    If you have big belly, it will probably be what kills you eventually (unless smoking gets you first). Doesn't matter where it comes from. Visceral fat -- that is, a big belly -- is almost like another organ, as it messes with your endocrine system, your cardiovascular system, inflames your lungs, and pretty much makes everything in your body have problems.

    Yeah, men are much more prone to it than women. Sucks to be a guy that way. The subcutaneous fat that women get may look bad, but it's not nearly as harmful as having a beer gut. (Lest you think they get off light, women pay for the longer lives by being more miserable with things like migraines, arthritis, fibro and IBS.)

    So, if you want to live longer, bust your butt and lose the belly. It's that simple. Skinny = long life, at least for men. Yeah, genetics matter too. Consider the belly fat to be something that modifies what genetics gave you. If you've got a gut, you're gonna kick 10 years earlier, and be more miserable in the process.
     
  25. politicalcenter

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    I just live life and I am not too worried about it.

    I eat what i like and try to have a balanced diet.

    But what the heck...with my luck I would eat all the right things and get hit by a bus.

    We are not going to live forever... and even if you try to use the Bible to support a life of hundreds of years it does not work...mans lifespan was set at 3 score and ten years I believe...Right about the time of Moses...I do not remember chapter and verse.
     

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