Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

BINGO! Excellent analogy, @ToddWB !

 

Mitt -- The name of the God you are describing is not YHWH -- and not a God of the Bible that I can figure .. The Father is not a Trinity and Jesus is not "The Father" nor is YHWH the Father .. YHWH is not the God of Jesus .. and Jesus is a Priest of this God .. not God himself .. a High priest forever in the Order of Melchi-Zedek .. as was David .. and the line of priests at Jesusalem all the way back to Melchi-Zedek and Abraham .. and before Abraham.

You have no understanding of the God you worship Mitt .. and because of this you do not know this God's Word.. .. nor do you believe in "The word" of this God.

Thus the scripture you quoted is strangely but humorously fitting 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT

See Mitt .. even Paul knew -- as I have been telling you -- Satan is the God of this world . And also I have scolded you for running from The Truth -- The Way-- The Light .. which clearly to which you are blind -- in unbelief .. trying to substitute The word of Lord Martin .. chief minion of Satan .. for "The Word" of our Lord . that word the physical representation of Jesus .. which you reject .. in favor of the dogma of beloved Constantine.

Jesus is not "GOD" .. not "The Most High" .. not El Elyon, not El Oliun , Not El Shaddai . Jesus -- like the other humans adopted by God -- David - Cyrus .. the other Messiah's .. the other "anointed ones of God" is a man adopted by a God .. in the original version of the story..

Jesus is not a priest of the Order Aaron .. priesthood of YHWH. Jesus is a Priest of the Order Melchi-Zedek .. Priest hood of the the Most High God El

and as Jesus say to the Pharisee .. what he say about their Father and Yours Mitt ? Is your Father not the same one as the Pharisee ? Better get Todd for this one Mitt... for it is time for a "We read in Scripture Moment" .. and you are going to provide that scripture for us.

What does Jesus call your God and Father Mitt ? Yours and that of the Pharisee ? Hint - Same thing as me

 

Typical religionism. You confuse Jesus with the Christ. You recognize the "God" of the bible as opposed to what the bible is talking about. You warn of some evil being called "satan' instead of understanding what "satan" represents and how it consumes you.

So I will tell you something else that you cannot understand: God-the-Father, The Christ, and the Holy Spirit is one "IS". But as I said to another, you say God is infinite I expect, yet you also say the Trinity is three separate "beings", which means each is not infinite but limited to Self. So you have a god that is infinite by your claim, yet is finite by your explanation. It's called a "contradiction". Such is the religionism that asserts and allows it.

 

Nope...sorry Gifte but I'm not at all saying the New Covenant means a new God. Almighty God of the Old Testament is the same Almighty God of the New Testament. It's just you having a misconception.

Here let me present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they answer the question, "Why is God so different in the Old Testament than He is in the New Testament?"

Hopefully after viewing this video it will clear up your misconception.



Ok thanks Gifte for your post.

 

Religionists rely of the thoughts of other "experts". Spiritual people rely on the insights granted by the Spirit. And they naturally conflict.

 

Sticks and stones may break bones but these false accusations are also painful . to watch .. What is the Bible talking about .. that you figure I did not recognize .. what did you figure I figured Sataniel Represents . .. and what is your correction Master Kode .. tell us how Satan is consuming us .. "we really want to know .. if we should stay or should we go" .. partial marks for naming the tune.

 

hmmm .. unfortunately tis you who has the misconception Brother Mitt .. not being able to distinguish between the Father nor the Son Ha Satan .. and with no regard the teachings of Lord Jesus -- nor respect for the the word of his God .. a God whose name you do not know.

Jesus does not follow the commands of the Almighty Lord YHWH .. does not adhere to "The Word" of YHWH .. nor the word Almighty God Jealous that you speak of .. Neither of these Gods .. are the God of Jesus .. and this is your misconception Brother Mitt .. down the dark path .. ye have gone. but we can bring you back to the light.

Jesus is a Priest of the Order Melchi-Zedek .. The God of the Zedek Priesthood is not YHWH .. YHWH is the God of the Aaron Priesthood .. Jesus does not follow the laws .. codes customs of the Aaronic priesthood .. and worships a different God .. the God of the Order Melchi-Zedek .. Zedek the Patron God of Jerusalem .. good friend of Jesus.. sitting at the right hand of the Father .. in the Divine Council of El ..

 

Plain and simple, the bible warns against reading it literally and thinking that is the message. It advocates a spiritual understanding, but Christians don't even know the most basic thing about what a "spiritual understanding" is. It says "God created mankind in his image and likeness" but man reads it to be saying "man created God in their image and likeness". Are you even capable of understanding what I mean? I DON'T MEAN that man invented "god". That may be true but that isn't the meaning of my statement. I could say it in other words to clarify and make it clear, but I don't want to spoil your fun so I'll leave it to you instead.

Your sarcasm and ridicule gets you no further discussion of this today. It just shows you harbor some serious fears.

 

another complete joke of a response .. starting off with strawman fallacy .. inferring I was reading the Bible Literally ... and and thinking some literal translation was the message.

What message are you talking about .. that was take from literal translation .. What .. are you freaken talking about mate .. blubbering in riddles and strawman fallacy does not a valid argument make ,,, you not even able to get what it is you are claiming out of mouth.

You then go on to talk about some Christian fundamentalist morons .. who come up with ridiculous readings of "In our image and likeness" and ask if I am capable of understanding the meaning of this .. Yes Brother Kode .. I understand there are folks out there making ridiculous translations.. but what does this have to do with anything I said ? or did you just want a shoulder to emote upon ?

The question coming to my mind is .. do You have the faintest idea what "In our Image - Our likeness" refers to --- any better than these Fundamentalist religious extremists you have been having trouble with ?

 

You're defensive, offensive, incurious, and very confused. No point in continuing.

 

The Bible does not warn us against reading it literally, truth is we are to and must take the Bible literally, I mean how else are we going to determine what God's messages are.

If you insist you are right then give us a quote in Scripture where the Bible warns us against reading it literally...that's ok no need to look for a quote, you'd be wasting your time because it doesn't exist.

You are also quoted saying that Jesus is not the Christ as shown in the following posts of yours:

The Bible actually warns us about being led astray by false teachers/teachings...hello Kode!

We Read in Scripture:

22 And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ.[a] Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist. 1 John 2:22 NLT

Footnotes
a. 2:22a Or not the Messiah.
b. 2:22b Or the antichrist.

Now let me present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they answer the question, "How can I recognize a false teacher / false prophet?"



And now let me present a 2nd video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they answer the question, "Can/should we interpret the Bible literally?"



Ok thanks Kode for your posts.

 

See? You don't actually know the bible.

THE LETTER KILLETH - What does this mean?
2 Corinthians 3:5-6 - "our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter killeth, but the Spirit gives life."

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A "JEW"? - A "Jew" who is one "not in the letter"?
Romans 2:29 - "but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter"

WHAT IS "MILK" VS. "STRONG MEAT"?
Hebrews 5:13 - 14 "For everyone that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern (withdraw from belief in - "diakrisis") both good and evil."

THE AUDIENCE STILL ISN'T READY FOR "STRONG MEAT"
I Corinthians 3:1-2 "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able."

"Meat" is spiritual insight. "Milk" is the "letter", e.g. the literal words and their apparent meaning.

What have I been telling you all along??? The message is a SPIRITUAL one, discerned by means of grasping the "meat" and rejecting the "milk"!! The literal meaning is the milk! You are feeding on milk so you're a "babe".

Now you can eat your words.

I did not say that. That is you "milk" understanding of what I actually said. And as I said, you don't understand. Yet it's all through the bible!!!!!

JESUS WAS THE CHRIST!!! If I say you have a car and you are not that car, are you confused about that too?

Christ is SPIRIT.
Jesus was a MAN.
Jesus consciously had the SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS HIS TRUE SELF.
But you understand none of this, right? Even though it is the "meat" of the NT.

 

False Teachers" -- should be taking log out of own eye prior to accusing others of their own guilt. Jesus tells his disciples that he speaks in parables so that the outsiders will not understand and thus be forgiven. Mark 4

How are you going to determine "God's Word" -- when you don't know the name of your God .. and thus can not distinguish between the Word of God and the word of Satan .. thus in a bout of false teaching .. try to substitute mans hand for the word of God .. Satan's hand for the word of God.

For as we read in scripture Mark 13: 21 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe him. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, the elect. 23 Be careful! I have told you everything ahead of time.

You do not know Christ .. and so you run from the Christ .. but then cry out "Look, here is the Christ" -- pointing to the hand of Man ... pointing to Paul .. and Idol Martin .. pointing to Emperor Constantine ... as Pontifex Maximus.

Christ is the word of God Brother Mitt but, you do not know the word of God ..do you ?? Prove this wrong and tell us which command is from the God of Jesus .. as opposed to the demiurge.

1) Kill the Child on account of the Sins of the Father
2) Do not kill the Child on account of the Sins of the Father -- each is to be punished according to his own sin.

Tell us which God to follow Mitt .. show us you know the Christ -- the word of God from that of the evil one. I will even give you a hint "Let ye who is without sin cast the first rock" !

 

Read above to understand what the Christ is ..

 

Of all people I KNOW WHAT THE CHRIST IS AND I KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS AS THE SPIRITUAL MESSAGE. I've not yet EVER found a "believer" who has any useful idea of what "spiritual message" refers to. They take the "letter" for the Spirit. How ridiculous is THAT when the NT is filled with warnings to the contrary?

 

So now you're back tracking and saying "Jesus was the Christ" just recently you were quoted saying:

Well truth be told JESUS IS THE CHRIST!!!, that's why it's appropriate and common to just refer to Him as Jesus Christ.

And by no means am I saying that Jesus last name (surname) is "Christ". "Christ" means "chosen one" or "anointed one" it comes from the Greek word Christos. And this is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Mashiach or Messiah.

We Read in Scripture:

40 Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, was one of these men who heard what John said and then followed Jesus. 41 Andrew went to find his brother, Simon, and told him, “We have found the Messiah” (which means “Christ”[a]). John 1:40-41 NLT

Footnotes
a. 1:41 Messiah (a Hebrew term) and Christ (a Greek term) both mean “anointed one.”

We learn from reading Scripture that the angel Gabriel was sent from God to tell Mary that she will conceive in her womb and bear a son and she shall call his name Jesus. And so Jesus is the Lord's human name.

We Read in Scripture:

Birth of Jesus Foretold

26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed[a] to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” Luke 1:26-33 ESV

Footnotes
a. Luke 1:27 That is, legally pledged to be married
b. Luke 1:28 Some manuscripts add Blessed are you among women!

And so Jesus Christ means Jesus the Messiah or Jesus the Anointed One. "Christ" is Jesus title which means He was sent from God to be a King and Deliverer.

We Read in Scripture:

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again[a] with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. Daniel 9:25 ESV

Footnotes
a. Daniel 9:25 Or there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It shall be built again

Israel’s Ultimate Deliverance

32 Look, a righteous king is coming! And honest princes will rule under him. Isaiah 32:1 NLT

Lord Savior Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Chosen One, the Anointed One, the King, the Deliverer said,

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.” John 3:16-21 NLT

Lol..I'd say that's an idiotic statement/question so I'm not confused about that, the confused one is the one making that idiotic statement/question. Furthermore, it's rather obvious you're still confused about the Christian concept of the Trinity. Why you're attempting to explain it is beyond me when you're a confessed atheist who doesn't adhere to the Christian religion. What Christian would take you seriously?...certainly it wouldn't be me that's for tootin sure.

It's you not understanding, what I presented above should help clear your confusion. Like I've mentioned above "Christ" is Jesus title.

But you keep separating Jesus from Christ, let me make it as simple as possible so even someone in the 3rd grade could follow and understand. Jesus is the Christ and so Jesus is Jesus Christ.

Furthermore, Jesus wasn't just an ordinary man for He was God incarnate in human flesh.

We Read in Scripture:

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son[a] from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 ESV

Footnotes
a. John 1:14 Or only One, or unique One

That's why He possessed divine super powers enabling Him to bring sight to the blind, healing the cripple, casting out demons from the possessed, bringing Lazarus back to life from the dead, etc. These miraculous feats He performed is all there written in the Scriptures of the New Testament. But to you He was just a man, if He was just a man He would have sinned like any other man but He didn't because He was God incarnate in human flesh.

Ok thanks Kode for your posts.

 

See Mitt, as I said, you cannot comprehend this and the reason is that you cling fast to religionism EVEN THOUGH YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU OTHERWISE!

Try this to see if you understand the consistency of my view on this:

Christ and Jesus are not "identity".
Do you understand "identity"? My statement means Jesus was not another name for "Christ" and Christ was never a living person that was given the name of "Jesus". That makes no sense to you, does it? Try following this .......

Jesus said "I have overcome the world" (John 16:33). To clarify the above please tell me what this is saying. Exactly WHAT did Jesus overcome?

Next, 2 other verses tie it all together with John 16:33. They are related to it and they are:

Revelation 22:16 - "I am the . . . bright and morning star." (Who is speaking here, Mitt? And exactly what is the "morning star"? I've asked you this at least twice before and every time you dodge it and run from it. If you have any understanding of the bible, please answer my questions this time!)

Then we find:
Rev 2:26-28 - "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, . . . I will give him the morning star." What is this saying in plain English?

So these verses (John 16:33, Rev.22:16, and Rev 2:26-2 are related and tell you what I've tried to tell you. Do you have ANY answer to my questions here, or are you unable to discern the bible?

Shall I just be straight forward and direct for you and tell you what all this is saying? Or can you figure it out?

 

No Above sorry but you're wrong...seriously wrong...gravely wrong! This is very serious stuff, no joking matter and one should take what the Bible tells us very seriously...your eternal fate/destiny is at stake. You make the wrong choice/decision...you're punished for all eternity!

Here let me present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they answer the question, "Who will go to hell?"



I hope you and other non-believers don't shrug off hell as just being nonsense Above, again take it very seriously and reconsider your position, your eternal destiny is a matter of choice...choose wisely!!

We can choose to trust in Jesus’ payment for our sin, or we can choose to pay for our sins ourselves but we must remember that the payment for our sin is eternity in hell.

Your alternative is going to a place where there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain, all these things are gone forever if you believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior!

We Read in Scripture:

4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT

Ok thanks Above for your post.

 

Mitt, you now go back to February to answer a post and are ignoring what I asked you yesterday for the 3rd or 4th time. It's clear now that you are running from my question. You apparently fear the truth which is obvious. And that rather strongly suggests that you KNOW that you don't actually understand the bible that you continually wave and quote from.

Such a demonstration of fear and avoidance should be seen by posters of the pointlessness of asking anything about your frail and failing views.

 

Obviously you're not keeping track, I mean I have answered that one question of yours regarding Rev. 22:16 and Rev 2:26-28 way back on the 1st month of 2023 that you keep asking me at the present time when I've already answered it in the past.

Below is that post of yours asking me the question that I have answered.

But anyway let me give some history of these 39 threads of mine. So far up to this point which includes this post of mine, there has been 34,121 posts generated/accumulated. This is my 4,745th post that I generated myself and so by doing simple math after subtracting my posts from the total of 34,121 you come out with the figure 29,376, this figure of 29,376 is the number of posts I haven't responded to as yet.

Yes, I am far behind, matter of fact 10 years behind. So no, I'm not running away from your question/s, there is absolutely no question I run from...lol Sorry for laughing out loud but I couldn't help myself.

It's rather obvious though you haven't read my very 1st post on this thread closely enough, oh a quick update, I'm now responding to threads Part 11 thru Part 39.

But anyway below is my very 1st post on this thread Part 39 so please read it so you will see how wrong you are.

It's actually you that don't understand the Holy Bible which is no surprise you being a confessed atheist. Make sense that you wouldn't understand it being that you don't believe a word of it.

What I say is Biblical because after I make Biblical statements I back it up with quote/s from Scripture...you know...that..."We Read in Scripture:" routine that I follow.

You on the other hand make statements/comments that are unbiblical that's why you can't back it up with quotes from Scripture, there isn't anything to back up what you're saying. So you're spewing falsehoods.

Ok thanks Kode for your post but I have to move on now, I've spent enough time on your questions/comments let's remember there are tens of thousands of posts I haven't responded to as of yet. But hey I'm not suggesting that I'm done with you entirely for if there is something by you that I need to respond to you can bet your bottom boots I will respond to it. In the meantime have a wonderful day!

 

No Mitt. You said that before and I went back then and reviewed your "answer". It turned out to be a peripheral dodge in which you went off in a different direction. You had quoted my question and that, it seems, was sufficient cause in your mind to call your wandering reply an "answer" to my question. But it wasn't. You refuse to just answer it directly and clearly as requested. And you could correct that at any time. But you don't. So that tells me what you do is you "play with religion" as your own entertainment, but that you really have no interest in actually understanding it since you CANNOT and HAVE NOT explained the symbolism and meaning of "morning star".

Have fun with your toy. But don't tell me you know what you're doing or that you're serious with your games as long as you dodge the questions I have repeatedly asked.

 

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So I went back AGAIN to find what you couldn't bother to specify: Page 56, Post 1386. There you said:

What is your authority for saying it "means glorious in royal splendor"? There is no basis in any reality for that because it came from the imagination of man. So let's talk fact instead. What is the "morning star" actually and why was it chosen as the symbol for what it is saying? WHAT IS THE SYMBOLISM?

In this symbolism or analogy there are two things to note. One is the morning star, and the other is it's function in reality. The morning star is the bright star that can be seen on the horizon just prior to, and close to, the spot and moment when the sun appears. It is as though it is announcing the impending appearance of the sun. THAT is how the ancients of Jesus' time thought of the morning star. THAT is what it meant to them.

Please either acknowledge this to be true, or correct me where I have factually erred in this.

And then you continued, saying.....

You sure know how to embellish and complicate what is simple with intellectualism. So to you, "give" means "show"...... ––it means "see" in your estimation.

No. "give" means give. You said we were with him in faith but now we will be with him in fact. But he had told the Pharisees that the kingdom of God was within them, which then also means the kingdom of God is within ALL OR US. Yet you say we will "be with him" then, and that is a change from agreeing based on faith. So you are in direct disagreement with your bible and what it says Jesus said. The kingdom is already within all. And if it is a kingdom, then the king must be present or it wouldn't be a kingdom.

So "give" means the Christ that has always been within will be known. It will be realized. You will then know "Christ in me". BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE "OVERCOME EVEN AS I HAVE OVERCOME".

So now you need to understand what Jesus "overcame".

He said "I have overcome the world". Did the world change at that moment for the Romans? The Greeks? No. So what did "overcome" mean?

THIS IS A MAJOR POINT AT WHICH YOU FAIL. What did "overcome the world" mean? What was this "world" that was overcome?

I know you don't know.

 

Now Above it's no laughing matter, I know you laugh because you don't believe what you've read in the Old Testament. Your disbelief stems from your inability to reconcile a loving God with a God of wrath.

Surely, the issue of God's wrath in the OT is difficult for some to understand, however though we must remember that Almighty God see things from an eternal perspective and that His ways are not our ways.

We Read in Scripture:

8 “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord.
“And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.
9 For just as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so my ways are higher than your ways
and my thoughts higher than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9 NLT

We must also remember that God punishes sin but He also provides a way of salvation through His Son Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

And so God is both kind and severe.

We Read in Scripture:

22 Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off. Romans 11:22 NLT

As we Christians know it's true that Almighty God's holy character demands that sin be punished, His grace and mercy remain extended to those who are willing to repent their sins and be saved.

Almighty God's punishments as we note reading through the OT provides us with a clearheaded reminder that, while our Creator Almighty God is gracious and merciful, He is also a God of holiness and wrath.

Ok thanks Above for your post.

 

@Mitt Ryan , Do yourself a favor and lose you NLT bible. That version is for children who still feed on milk.