Paul Keating is right!!!

No I’m not an Isolationist, I’m saying the opposite, tie to both but don’t favour one above the other. As far as trade conditions go, Trump said he’s going to nullify trade agreements so all the more reason to not anger China. And security as a condition, security is an illusion.

I rarely watch tv so can’t really comment on that show, but this is a big part of what foreign affairs is all about, networking… therefore instead of being a networking muse for the US, we look after our own interests by not favouring one bully above the other. Therefore not being guilty by association and even if Trump wasn't such a big risk I believe this is the way forward.

No I’m saying we bend over for both if you must be crude… but we share the love and don’t take sides, it’s called growing up.

This statement is so ignorant I don’t even feel like responding to it. You need to look at the links I posted earlier, Trump took a very hard line on China in his pre election campaign speeches. If he impose the tariffs, declare them monetary manipulators etc etc he’s heading for a confrontation we do not want to be a part off.

 

Hmmm,
I don't know much about Switzerland, but believe despite a limited number of inhabitants the Swiss punch well above their weight, and not only for their banking system.
There are many hightec products invented/build there, not only watches. Maybe someone out there who can give us more details?

See, we have lost our manufacturing, no cars, no cloth-lines, no mowers, no nothing. Wonder how we could get that stupid....We are in fact a little bit like the Americans. Problem is, we cannot change things back, gone is gone....

Anyway, as time goes by circumstances change, and maybe one day we find new alliances, and I think they might well be in Asia.I am not happy to join the US in every war they start, for very dubious reasons....
Cheers

 

Oh for a time machine. I could hop forward in time, check it all out, come back and tell you all about it AND win the Lotto.
But I haven't got a time machine.

I'm guessing.

China is going to pursue its successful "soft invasion" policy. They buy what they need from us. If we were drawn into their web of influence and we became another province of China they'd simply take over our economy and make us a Special Administrative Region like Hong Kong and go from there. No I don't know how they'd do it but I do know an isolationist USA would enable it.

Slip's onto it. I'll start my Chinese lessons now.

 

Ignorant? Soon you will be calling me racist. Isn't that the modus operandi straight out of the leftards handbook.

I don't need your links, every media outlet in the world ran it.

Donald Trump the candidate will be different to Trump the president. Firstly contrary to your opinion the POTUS is only a figurehead, and the real powers will tighten his leash, and if he still doesn't play ball, they will find away to get rid of him.

Look we are not going to agree. For one your take on the world is much more positive than mine. Secondly I have worked with the Chinese for near on a decade now and I still have no idea what makes them tick, so for me it is a case of better the devil you know.

I hope neither of us get to see the answer.

 

You are spot on witchy poo. We just need to hedge our bets basically. Ain't nothin wrong with swinging! Unfortunately for the US, like everybody else they'll have to start picking up the soap!

The dip can over simplify things sometimes but hey, he is practicing his free speech lol!

 

well Beijing isn't wasting any time,

Beijing plans rival Asia-Pacific trade deal after Trump victory
https://www.ft.com/content/8662c3b6-a72b-11e6-8b69-02899e8bd9d1

Trump is about to hand China a lovely present
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-is-about-to-hand-china-a-lovely-present-2016-11

 

Another outstanding intellectual post that scored a “bullseye” for intelligent

Only someone who has worked with the Chinese on professional business negotiations would truly understand they never divulge their true intentions, and are a very secretive people. We know.

For an individual to suggest that Australia has the military and financial potential and capabilities to play “piggy-in-the-middle” against the USA and China, and still remain autonomous; demonstrates a complete lack of reality.

If Australia wants some world autonomy and independence, then it needs to reverse its strategy on this globalisation fantasy trip, and start creating more “home-grown” industries and manufacturing.

Australia needs to learn from the historical strategy of Japan. The Japanese knew they did not have the population or natural resources to out-build the USA during WW2, but they could competed in a different way.

They could out-built the USA and everyone else in technology and QUALITY. This was the driving factor that seen the Japanese lead the world in technology and quality manufacturing for decades.

Starting in the 70’s through to the early 90’s.

Australia can have the same results if they just apply some commonsense and willpower, because everyone is sick “n” tired of spending their hard earned money on the cheap “throw-away” junk being manufactured by the Chinese in their world slave factories.

Most people who respect their hard earned money want their expensive merchandise and products to last more than 12 months, before they toss it in the garbage, and the Chinese are NOT making it.

 

All we need is a government which increases the warranty times to at least 2 years, this way the junk stays out of our country and our industry have some chances to get back in.
As for the rest of your comment, not my cup of tea.....
But to top it off, if the 50 biggest companies in Australia start paying their fair share we would be wealthy as Larry....
But that is not in the interest of Labor/Libs/Nationals.....
Regards

 

Cats, these 50 top companies you speak about are only playing within the tax rules set. These rules have been around for a very long time, including Labor's time in office. The issue is our Frankenstein tax system that have loop holes not only for big business but unions as well.

We used to have a great manufacturing base here in Australia, it is now dying it's death unfortunately. This isn't Chinas fault, it isn't our governments fault, it is your fault, and mine. The consumer drives demand, and China is filling it. If we Australian didn't want something for nothing all the time, there would be no demand on the cheap products coming out of China. If we actually had some vision a society of people we could of easily seen that we were going to destroy our low socio job market. Problem was we didn't give a rats ar$e about our fellow Australian when decided as a collective to buy the cheaper more inferior product. We just do what we do best as Australians..... We only care about ourselves.

As most know I can be a bit nationalistic. I do not support globalism. Globalism is a noose around the neck of a country our size. Reason is that we have such a small population that unlike America, when the proverbial hits the fan they have the population to recreate the demand. We simply don't. So where does this leave us.... Up the well known creek.

Globalisation was created to make the wealthier nations wealthier, by determining the terms of trade to suit their own agenda.

See Cats you actually have something in common with The Donald.

PS. By the way I have seen products from China that cost ten dollars Australian that have a, get this, "LIFETIME WARRANTY". Problem is that the lifetime isn't yours, it's the products, and then it becomes subjective. The company might say the products life is only one month. As they are Chinese companies we have no say on their warranty. Then again the products producer may only have a life of six months. I have seen companies registered for the manufacture of just one product, and when that product run comes to a predetermined end the company folds. Warranties then become null and void. They play by different rules.

If you don't like what is happening then don't buy Chinese product. Simple as that.

 

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Here's Penny Wong echoing Paul Keating... does make the Liberals look like they're asleep

Donald Trump presidency should force rethink of US alliance, says ALP's Penny Wong
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/donald-trump-presidency-should-force-rethink-of-us-alliance-says-alps-penny-wong-20161115-gspvom.html

 

I just love it when I can say "told you so"

Peru Asks to Join China-led Trade Deal but Still Hopeful on TPP

ahem.....

http://www.voanews.com/a/reu-peru-asks-to-join-china-led-trade-deal-but-still-hopeful-on-tpp/3597994.html

 

Well done, many pats on your own back.

I will sleep much sounder tonight knowing Mighty Peru has taken this stance, and put America in it's place.

 

do you actually read what other people post? Where did Peru put America in it's place?

They said they're still hopeful for TPP, they said they're "friends" with everyone "neutral" how does that put America in it's place...

 

My thought is that it's a thin line between a dictator, and a strong leader.

 

Mate,
I take this personally. I know I can be as far on the right side as I can be on the left side, but comparing me with this joker?
Jesus.....You are ruining my day.....
Regards

 

Breaking news.

Paddington Bear has just issued a warning to Donald Trump. " no marmalaide for you Donald".

 

eh... that's nice...(pat pat)... now go back to rocking and bumping your head against the wall

 

And Penny Wong is on the same note as Keating:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...nce-says-alps-penny-wong-20161115-gspvom.html

And what does our PM do? Playing Tony Abbott, creating fear already. What a complete disappointment. Can't we have a grown up discussion about our future?
Cheers

 

Reading some of your posts you will find a lot of people bumping their heads against the wall.

 

is that right.. guess you'd know as the leader of people who rock themselves in the corner and bump their heads against the wall

 

Doesn't look very hopeful to me....[video=youtube;7xX_KaStFT8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8[/video]

 

Guess what,
this guy is like a nightmare, a nightmare that just started and will last many years to come.
But as a modern and forward thinking nation/society (so I thought) Americans have decided for the *first me, and then the others*.
What a sad decision....
regards

 

You lot confuse me, you really do.

What is it about the scrapping of the TPP that you find so abhorrent. Believe me this trade treaty was not good for Australians as a whole. Yes it was of great benefit to the already rich and powerful companies. Yes it was set to provide jobs, but what industries, and for how long?

You do know there was a clause in the TPP that allowed companies to sue the government for any change in policy moving forward if that policy was to inhibit in any way future profits? I assume you did know that. Example Logging. Let's say that a Chinese company gets the approval under the new TPP to log forests in Australia, then incredibly the Greens come to power and ban all logging( which is one of their main policies), that Chinese company has the right to sue Australian Tax payers for restraint of trade, and can claim lost profit over the course of the perceived life of the logging. Forestry being regenerative could mean that the life of said industry is infinite, thus we would pay forever. This is simplified but you get the gist.

You do realise that the TPP also allowed for "skilled" labour to be brought in from other countries and payed under that countries system of revenue? I assume you knew that as well.

You do understand that the industry that was to benefit the greatest out of the TPP was the resources industry didn't you? Something I Imagine Cats would be particularly happy about.

How long will these supposed jobs remain under this treaty? From a business point of view, I imagine paying Chinese "skilled" labour at $5 per hour would be much more of an advantage than paying Aussies $35 per hour.

I couldn't imagine anyone on the left side of politics supporting such a treaty, so you could understand why you have confused me. Love him or hate him, Trump is merely looking after his own low to middle income employment bracket.

There is no way in the big TPP world that our, and Americas for that fact, labour costs can compete with the likes of China, and other Asian nations. Big business is the only winner under the TPP, the common man will be scrapping for their generosity.

"But as a modern and forward thinking nation/society (so I thought) Americans have decided for the *first me, and then the others*".

Cats I would imagine those same Americans that have lost their jobs, lost their homes, have children to feed, and debts to pay, well I imagine they don't really give a rats ar$e about the rest of the world right now, and I imagine that there are a growing number of Australians in the same plight that have the same view that those Americans have.

Until you have lost everything that you have worked your whole life for, and desperation fills your soul, and your kids look at you for answers that you do not have, until then you may never understand why they voted for an alternative to the very establishment that put them in the sh!t they are in.

 

The US walking away from TPP Is so much more than just an agreement.... it's checkmate ito global leadership

The irony is it's the US making the move, what we're seeing is China now, not only taking over the Asia Pacific Region as the dominant force, but potentially as global leader. Already main trading partner for 120 out of 196 countries worldwide, let me spell this out for you, that means 120 countries out of 196 are more dependant on China than they are on the US or any other country in the world for economic well being.

This is a historical moment, China finally taking over global leadership from the United States.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-moment-china-overtook-the-us-as-leader-of-the-free-world-20161121-gsttke.html