Pete Buttigieg says highway underpasses racist

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The stupid crap some politicians say...


    "As to where we target those dollars, I’m still surprised that some people were surprised when I pointed to the fact that a highway was built for the purpose of dividing a White and a black neighborhood, or if an underpass was constructed such that a bus carrying mostly Black and Puerto Rican kids to a beach, or would’ve been, uh, in New York was designed too low for it to pass by, that that obviously reflects racism that went into those design choices. Uh, I don’t think we have anything to lose by confronting that simple reality, and i think we have everything to gain by acknowledging it and then dealing with it… "

    video with Pete Buttigieg saying this can be seen here:
    https://nationalfile.com/video-pete...uerto-rican-children-from-going-to-the-beach/


    Just proof positive that if you look really hard, and strain that one brain cell you have left, you can find racism everywhere. But you have to really try hard. And they do.
     
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    That racism turns up in the darndest places! Stay home with the kid Pete, PLEASE STAY HOME. (one can only imagine what a piece of work THAT child is destined to be)
     
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    Not only was it 120 years ago....

    David Marcus: Buttigieg's bigoted bridges remark was a bag of nonsense
    The Transportation secretary's claim speaks to a larger problem with progressive rhetoric on race

    "....Buttigieg’s example of Jones Beach, however, does not appear to be one of them. And this speaks to a larger problem with progressive rhetoric on race. Fact checkers for both CNN and the Washington Post leapt to the secretary’s defense. Both cited a narrow passage from Robert Caro’s ubiquitous volume ‘The Power Broker,’ a biography of New York civic planner Robert Moses.

    But in a reversal Wednesday Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler tweeted, "Addendum: Experts increasingly doubt this story," revealing that his original fact check had all the intellectual rigor of a Three Stooges routine.

    In the Caro passage, an associate of Moses says that the master planner held disdain for "the people" and devised ways to keep them from Jones Beach. There is one reference to black busses having a harder time getting permits, but nothing in passage suggests the infrastructure choices were intended to keep the seaside resort all white.

    Consider an important fact. In 1930, a year after Jones Beach opened, New York City was 95 percent white. It strains credulity to believe that Moses was making major infrastructure decisions on the basis of demeaning five percent of the population. He was trying to keep people out, but those were poor people of all kinds of backgrounds. Moses may well have been a bigot, but his designs were squarely classist.

    ....Sadly, Buttigieg is embracing this anti-historical and divisive way of looking at our nation’s past as a justification for left wing power. Did America enact racist laws in its history? Of course. Was every single decision made or system built specifically designed to hinder black and brown people? Of course not. Robert Moses was likely far more worried about poor whites, the vast majority of New York City, going to Jones Beach than the tiny non-white population."
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/buttigieg-racist-roads-bridges-progressives-class

    Highways are built to best and most efficiently move the traffic through and around cities. I remember when this came up a few months ago and they did man in the street interviews with blacks in their neighborhoods about moving the throughways away and they were all outraged, how were they going to get around. And believe it or not blacks like having their own communities. In my neighboring city they went to court to have their own districts and are guarantied 3 out of 7.
     
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    Our highways were designed and impacted racial minorities, is it really too hard to believe they're still racist to this day?
     
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    IT’S COME TO THIS: Washington Post fact-check admits it was wrong for ‘knee jerked’ defense of Buttigieg’s racist bridge comments.
    This knee-jerk stupidity is a growing trend at the WaPo:

    Washington Post notes that Durham probe indictment casts doubt on previous WaPo reports alleging Trump/Russia collusion. You think?

    Media’s ‘fact-checkers’ avoid false narrative Border Patrol agents ‘whipped’ Haitian migrants. The Washington Post, CNN, NBC, AP, USA Today, Snopes all failed to address the widespread falsehood. Covering for a liar.

    Washington Post Issues the ‘Greatest Correction’ Ever. “None other than Donald Trump Jr calls the Washington Post’s ‘Let’s Go Brandon!’ walkback ‘the greatest correction in the history of journalism,’ and who am I to disagree?”

    2015 WaPo op-ed asked: What Are We Going To Do About Creepy Uncle Joe Biden?
     
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    Demented Biden Administration is staffed with race baiting idiots.

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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Highways cut through the African American neighborhoods in my city. Here is a little background to help you know what you are talking about.
     
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    I read your cite: The University Clown you quoted claims we built our interstate road system to inconvenience blacks.

    Demented DiMento:
    "University of California, Irvine law professor Joseph DiMento, an expert in the policies of the freeway-building era. "The reasons they were built were heavily for removal of Blacks from certain areas.""

    How did this clown not get a job in the Biden Administration?

    Noted Idiot Buttigieg responds to warranted criticism over his idiotic racist roads comment: ‘The point is not to make America feel guilty.’

    He's a sloth and a liar.
    How about he shuts his trap until he solves the supply chain crisis.
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/488082/

    Cool! Butti's got this! We're saved!
     
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    Lets say major thoroughfares were built with racist intentions, just for the sake of argument. What changes are being proposed to fix it? Where are blacks now being prevented from travelling by these supposed racistly designed motorways?
     
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    if those things went into the design choices is what he said, then yes, it would be racist

    are republicans saying that would NOT be racist?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    My, you seem angry and dismissive of someone who knows a lot more about the issue than you and doesn't have the burden of false assumptions that you have. At least you read the citation, that's a good thing. Here's another one and I can get many more....
     
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    They'd have to look at the history of the situation to recognize the racism. And then they'd say 'that was then, this is now' - not realizing that the situation still exists. There is absolutely no choir to your preaching on this one I'm afraid.
     
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    Fake News. Your clown of a source made an unsupported slanderous assumption.
    And yet, it's not me swallowing the unsupported slander that fits your preconception. How in the hell can you claim his character assassination is legitimate when he doesn't even name the folks he defames?
    Of course. I'm not going to call bull **** on your libel without checking your cite.

    And here's another thing, learn why appeals to authority are logically fallacious. Those you view as authorities can make errors just like everyone else. Double check them. It's very American to call out their self-entitled privileged asses when they make unsupported claims of villainy. Make them provide the basis in fact for the claims they make. We as a people do not put up with this crap though we will adjust our thinking to conform with empirical facts.

    Now if you're a student sitting in a class under one of these clowns, running up tens of thousands of dollars in student debt, then you should probably keep your mouth shut, but, do note whether their crap is supported or unsupported. That they would expect you to accept their unsupported claims tells you all you need to know about them.
     
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    Highways the world over are built in area where it will have the less impact to property values, which mean they'll always build them in the poorer neighborhood if they need to cut through a city. Cities need taxes to run and they don't want to devalue property as it will also decrease the amount of taxes they get. This is a global standard, not a racial one. There are twice as many poor whites in the USA than poor blacks. In fact blacks are in 3rd position.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Your name calling, dismissiveness and contempt only illustrates your defensiveness and willful ignorance of the subject. Here is yet another citation.
     
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    It's incredible that you believe unsupported libel.

    Take you LAT link. It asserts your claim in the title. "The racist history of America’s interstate highway boom"
    Big bold font. Now let's look for the support for their claim:
    Asserts it again. Every inch of freeway that went through a residential area required removal of residences, and these were not stolen they were appropriate via eminent domain, a legitimate government taking with just compensation required by the 5th amendment. So, what would be necessary here, to prove an illegitimate government action would be evidence of a 5th amendment violation, of which, none of your cites allege and which could be litigated if there was any proof that such a violation occurred, but you have no such evidence, just a lot of sources parroting the same libel.

    If an unjust taking occured, then so state. Can you list any specific time and place? And the name of anyone whose home was improperly taken?

    Go ahead, we'll wait.
     
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    Liberals think that math is racist, so this is not surprising in the least...
     
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    No, they impacted certain areas.

    It may come as a YUGE surprise to you Krane, but citizens are not forced at gunpoint to live in particular areas. Don't like all the development going on in your area? You're free to move at any time. No one can stop you.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    And they cut through white areas in my city. It's about LAND VALUE, nothing else.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Unsupported libel? The evidence is clear from many independent expert sources, that you happen to disagree with for apparently partisan reasons. Eminent domain was not always used ethically, I'm sure you would agree. Here is another source for you to deny.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    ...in Australia.
     
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    You realise we're a multiculture, right?

    Or perhaps you don't. Perhaps you think we're something like Poland, or Northern Scotland.
     
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    Yes. Not one person is named that actually had their property illegitimately taken for public use, and if such a person existed, they, or their heirs, would have a fabulous justiciable claim for damages and interest, but, neither you nor your sources list such claims, perhaps because this yet another pile of hate America First lies that this faction of the Left treats us to with some regularity.

    The same pile of unverified crap repeated by a flock of fake news parrots is not "independent verification."
    What evidence? You have yet to come up with a single property owner whose property was illegitimately seized for the interstate highway system, yet, you also claim a systematic nationwide pattern of such abuse, but, no one can come up with single person with a legitimate claim that the local Court House would be more than happy to adjudicate, as that is the very purpose of their presence?
    Well, there are folks ready and eager to help. Here's a website: https://ij.org/press-release/top-ten-worst-abuses-of-eminent-domain-spotlighted-in-new-report/ It has a tab for reporting abuse. Seems like you could come with at least one example.
    OK, let's have a look: It claims I-95 in Maimi was routed the way it was in order to illegitimately take the homes of black property owners.

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    Show me the racist part.
     
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    One of the most influential post-World War II urban planners was New York City’s “construction coordinator” Robert Moses... “Our categorical imperative is action to clear the slums,” Moses said in a 1959 speech. “We can’t let minorities dictate that this century-old chore will be put off another generation or finally abandoned.” Moses, who was also the chairman of the New York City Slum Clearance Committee, said that the highway construction must “go right through cities and not around them.”

    The 1956 federal highway act ran with this strategy, offering to paying 90 percent of the cost of states’ new roadways—with the caveat that they consent to build them through every major city to connect the emerging suburbs to downtown centers where commuters worked and shopped. According to Archer, highway engineers came to think of “killing two birds with one stone” to “improve traffic conditions and remove undesirable populations.

    This is kind of like arguing biblical contradictions with a fundamentalist. Ideology overwhelms rational thought and you get denial of fact and rationalizations....but here is another citation anyway.
     

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