Pew Research- worldwide majority view homosexuality and abortion as immoral

Hey sec, I noticed you didn't respond to my comments on the majority view of the Bahá'í in Iran in comparison to the majority view of the world on homosexuals, did you have any thoughts on that or on what majority persecution can do to a minority group of people?

 

A: please read the thread title

B: then, please review your comment

Must be a really good feeling to align yourself with totalitarian countries such as Russia & China, glad to see you are proud of that.

C: do you wish to continue trying to play games?

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The thread is discussing the view of the majority of the world on abortion and the homosexual lifestyle

 

I realize that and I made a comparison between two world views people hold and how it affects them socially.

I made plenty of mentions about homosexuals, such as do you think it is moral and ethical to treat them all as pedophiles because the majority thinks they are? Do you think it is moral and ethical to persecute them because the world finds them abhorrent?

 

you created the thread, however you do not get to dictate the direction that thread takes, sorry you are not in control and hopefully never will be.

Your own poll shows that the views you hold are closer to the overtly religiously based or totalitarian based countries than more secular countries and as such one can conclude that you yourself hold the same overtly religious and/or totalitarian dogma. So as I said "Must be a really good feeling to align yourself with totalitarian countries such as Russia & China, glad to see you are proud of that."

 

From your OP


Do you think that we are returning to a morals based society and moving away from a progressive, anything goes society?

You clearly believe that the morals of the majority of countries- essentially Muslim, African, Russia and China- are superior to American morals.

Since the majority of Americans do not believe homosexuality is immoral.

so clearly:

it's amazing that because someone was born in a different country that you feel that your opinion is superior.

Applies directly to you. Because someone was born in a different country- you believe that their opinion- which you approve of- is superior to Americans.

That is arrogance.

I happen to believe that there is nothing immoral about homosexuality, and the majority of Americans agree with me.

That doesn't make me right- or arrogant- but it does make me in agreement with most Americans, and you- not so much.

 

Morality is not based on a poll... the poll only represents the dominant moral view. Morality is an individual ideal that will vary person to person to different degrees. When you get enough individuals that have the same opinion this sets the stage for laws to be passed or voted down. IMO slavery has always been immoral, but it was widely accepted in early America. People were literally up in arms over the thought of ending slavery. I am not comparing the current debate on same sex marriage to slavery, what I am saying that it is possible for popular opinion to be in support of something that is immoral. But as morality is subjective many will see America's growing acceptance of gays as a shift in morality to either the positive or the negative.

 

Either one stands upon their own morals or they allow another to dictate to them what their morals should be. I stand upon my own morals... how about you? Is there some universal morality? If so who gets to decide what it is and by what authority?

 

Being gay hurts no one. Here is a quote from page one of my Book of Morality... "don't hurt others". The following is the full text of my Book of Morality... Don't hurt others. The end.

The thought of two guys having sex together grosses me out... but they are not hurting me or anyone else... hence IMO its not a breach of morality. Morality is subjective but I understand that my moral relativism clashes with the universal morality of religion.

 

Your morality comes from Buddhism, BTW. And I totally agree with it.

 

Truth is no one knows if homosexuality is harmful or not. This false argument that you are using is old and has been debunked many times.

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Of course. You only agree with what you find fits what you want to believe. That is only natural. Have you ever considered you could be wrong? Try challenging what you believe and see how your views stand up.

 

No it hasn't. Tell me, how does two guys or two ladies getting married hurt you?

Oh yes, I was told I was wrong and evil all my life (people like you still do it). I did challenge what people told me and I challenged myself. I did not choose to be who I am. And other people made sure to try to make me feel ashamed of what I was. I'm 47 years old, I've done a lot of thinking during my life. And I can only say that I can only be me. I was not put on this Earth to please you or anyone else. I'm here to be the best I can be with what I have been given.

I suggest you do the same and quit worrying about other people who have no effect on your life.

 

What part of "no one knows" do you not understand? If no one knows then no one can truthfully make either claim.

I guess if a person thinks long and hard enough they can justify about anything. I am pretty sure serial killers do not become who they are over night.

 

Oh, so you have nothing? OK. Well, I guess that justifies discrimination against gay people, right? Are you serious? Quit comparing us to killers, that's wrong. It's old and terrible and dishonest.

 

One strawman after another. Do you use them because the facts are not on your side?

 

But the facts are on my side. Gay people fall in love and form stable relationships just like straight people do. Are you denying that? Can you stop comparing us to murderers? Talk about strawmen.

 

If you cannot present proof then I am going to default to it is not harmful until proven otherwise.

Philosophy is a subjective study of ideas and as there is no "right" philosophy there is nothing to debunk. All you and I have are subjective opinions. If you believe your opinion to be fact then please cite your source.

No, that's an assumption. I studied philosophy, theology, and ideology and came to my own conclusion. As I am not bound by the shackles of dogma I am free to think outside the box. You as a Christian are more likely to "only agree with what you find fits what you want to believe"... aka boxed thinking of dogma.

Yes. How about you?

I did. Its how I broke the shackles of Christan dogma.

 

You still haven't shown proof of this. Are you asserting your opinion as fact?

Why not compare them if the majority of the world finds their behavior repulsive?

 

So you need to respond to posts directed at others so you can claim how you "broke the shackles of Christian dogma"? I haven't seen where Christianity has been mentioned by me but it seems you have only traded Christian shackles for liberal dogma shackles. If you were truly objective you would look at the facts.

 

Don't be coy... you are not fooling anyone with that line of BS. Are you trying to say that your views of homosexuality are your own and religion has had no influence on your views?

 

As I have said before my position is I am not so much against homosexuality as much as I don't see any reason to support it. And. In thread after thread I still don't see anyone offering any good reasons.

 

Because its a free country.

 

That is lame. You can apply that to just about any perverted behavior..

 

It's interesting that you say this. The fear that homosexuality is somehow harmful to society is an irrational fear or a phobia.

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Yes you can aptly.

We are free from your opinion of what isor isn't perverted.

 

what does homosexuals getting married have to do with the Pew research results which show that the majority of the world believes that the homosexual lifestyle and abortion to be immoral?

 

Indeed you can in a free country. So are you against a free country?