Please Sign Petition: We Support Hobby Lobby

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WE SUPPORT HOBBY LOBBY:
"I support the right of Hobby Lobby and other companies, schools, and organizations to not be forced to comply with the HHS mandate.

No company, school or organization should be forced to pay for birth control or abortion-causing drugs for their employees.

Therefore, I urge the Supreme Court to declare the HHS mandate unconstitutional and protect Hobby Lobby's conscience rights and religious freedoms."

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Note: I am a prochoice progressive Democrat, who believes in enforcing "free choice" principles consistently for ALL views and beliefs equally, to be fully Constitutional and inclusive of diversity, in keeping with Democrat Principles. I do NOT believe in discriminating against or excluding people for their views, and especially NOT abusing law or govt to do so.

I ask everyone to join in enforcing a higher standard for EQUAL protection and inclusion of religious AND political beliefs
WITHOUT discrimination by creed, including political party. If we cannot agree on principles, we should be civil enough to separate our policies and programs, and pursue these independently by Party, and keep our agenda OUT OF GOVT.

EMILY NGHIEM: "Right to Health Care" is a political belief as is "Right to Life" and both should be equally protected by law without discrimination. Our govt should remain neutral with political beliefs as with religious beliefs, and not be abused to impose partisan agenda, on either side! Govt should support consensus decisions that include and protect all views equally. The govt should never take sides in disputes over "beliefs" or it discriminates against the people of opposing beliefs. All conflicts should be resolved, so there is an agreement on policy, or else people should agree to separate policies and quit imposing on each other. Govt should never be abused to impose one view over another in cases of religious disputes, or it violates the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution.

 

Anything else they shouldn't be forced to 'pay for' (which they really aren't paying for) or just BC and abortions?

Can I add insulin to the list for what employers shouldn't have to 'pay for'? Never was a fan. Cause lets face it, most people have type 2 diabetes because they are over weight and don't eat right. By providing insulin to these people we are condoning a lifestyle of gluttony, one of the seven deadly sins. An employer should not have to 'pay' for that.

All but 4 states currently mandate that diabetes medication be covered in individual and group insurance plans. That just isn't right, employers should not have to pay for gluttonous lifestyles.

 

Just start a religion and do what ever you want. What a concept.

 

Well, I absolutely don't support bigotry of any kind. . .nor do I supper the intrusion of employers into the private life of employees.

So. . .thank you, but I'll pass!

 

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Yes, Constitutionalism is like a political religion.
And so are the political beliefs against it.
We have merely to acknowledge these political beliefs and parties are like "religious cults"
and maybe we can better separate them and deal with them accordingly.

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Dear Sadanie: I don't agree with such intrusion either, and neither does Hobby Lobby.

So why support federal govt mandates on employers if it, in turn, causes intrusion in employees' private choices?
If we don't want govt intruding in our health care, maybe we should keep health care out of federal govt.

This is the point of the Hobby Lobby case, the federal mandates should not be regulating private health choices to begin with!
Don't you agree, that federal govt should STAY OUT?

 

That's the point. All health care is going to involve individual choices and beliefs.
That is why we should keep these decisions out of govt altogether.
This is not the intent of federal govt which was never designed to handle rights and decisions better left to the people.

We can only fund things through federal govt that do not require local management to handle "free choice" of citizens in their private decisions.
Only policies and programs that all people agree on
can be funded through federal govt, so it does not bring up these "religious disputes and arguments"
which govt is NOT authorized to decide or impose on the people. The liberals call this "separating church from state"
so they need to practice what they preach, and keep private practices OUT of federal government.

Anything of that nature should be left to local management, free markets and free choice so individuals retain full freedom.
Since the main support for ACA is all coming from the Democrat Party voting for it,
the Democrat Party could set up their own system and responsibility for ACA and Singlepayer. And leave others to their own.

This would either end all disputes, or at least make Democrats responsible for resolving and funding the costs and consequences.

 

Health coverage does not intrude on the employee. . .as it doesn't force the employees to use any or all parts of it.

By refusing to cover birth control for its employees (who are overwhelmingly female!), Hobby Lobby interfere with their ability to follow the course of health care and family planning THEY choose.

But allowing coverage for birth control does in NO WAY force women to USE birth control.

And, NO, I do not agree that the federal government should stay out of health care, or of the kind of basic health care large employers should provide for their employees. Without government interventions in many areas (including child labor), we would still "allow" employers and parents to decide to send their kids to work 10 hours a day in factories instead of going to school!

 

Why is there no cry over the existing mandates to cover diabetes treatment and medication in individual and group plans?

Should Hobby Lobby also be able to disregard that mandate if they so choose?

 

How dare they ask us to pay for ANY medical treatment?

If GA-HAWD has, in his almighty wisdom, chosen to make someone sick then it is obvious that that person is a SINNER and should DIE. How dare the government compel us to support these blasphemers they call Doctors in their diabolic quest to Thwart the Will of the Almighty.

 

Petitions to the supreme Court is like peeing in the wind--good luck with that.

 

What exactly is this petition hoping to accomplish? You get 20,000 folks out of a country to of over 300,000,000 to give an e-hug to a corporate entity?

Seems kind of silly to me to start a petition and solicit folks to sign it for little reason, akin to starting a petition endorsing Nike's new line of shoes, in my opinion.

 

I consider all forms of coercion to be wrong, provided that no one is being harmed otherwise.

 

Hi Sadanie: If you believe in federal govt controlling your health care, you are welcome to set up a system for that through your taxes, investment or party. But no right to impose such a system on people who don't believe as you do.

The employer mandates require Hobby Lobby to meet "certain requirements" in providing health insurance and coverage to employees.
They are fined if they do not meet these requirements.

You are right that the employees are not forced, but the complaint is about forcing the employers to violate their beliefs against these things.

The employees ARE free to pay for their own drugs and health insurance policies of their choice.
Nothing is forcing them to work for THIS company or get their insurance THIS way -- from a company that does not believe in providing
or promoting these drugs, or endorsing them in ANY WAY, not even indirectly.

Only the employer is being restricted.

if you are against child labor or forced servitude,
are you also against forcing taxpayers to work and pay their dollars under insurance terms they don't agree to pay for?
how is THAT not "involuntary servitude"?
In this case, forced by govt by forcing taxpayers to buy private insurance under terms we did not consent to?

 

If a business wishes to file their taxes on the 1040 EZ form accepting no exemptions/tax breaks, etc... etc..., paying the highest tax obligation, then by all means they should be able to run their company as they see fit with no intrusion from the government. At that point they have earned the right to hate whomever and whatever they want, while imposing their beliefs on their employees at will.

* No minimum wage

* Hire/hate whomever/whatever you wish

* No over time

* No vacation/sick time for employees

* No benefits, in fact if you can find people stupid enough to pay you for the privilege of working for you and making you rich in the process, more power too you.

*Customer discrimination? Knock yourself out, No homos/ni(*)(*)ers/greasers/Jews/*****s/atheists/left handed midget albinos with green eyes, whatever, turn em away at the door and kick em in the ass on the way out. You are the master of your own domain.

 

Why did David Green's "religious beliefs" not stop him from offering contraception coverage BEFORE the ACA was passed.....which Hobby Lobby did?

 

Signed, email and Done

 

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http://www.spiritual-healing.us

Even the best, most natural and free medical help in the world
CANNOT BE LEGISLATED OR MANDATED BY GOVERNMENT
because of Constitutional principles to separate religious freedom from government controls.

It must be chosen freely. Government protects that right and cannot be abused to impose on it.

 

The opposed drugs are 4 that abortifacient.
That is where they drew the line.

 

Hi Joe: a lot of the American economy and consumer market DOES patronize companies that use slave labor in other countries that treat people as badly or worse than what you listed here. What is the difference between these unfair labor practices in America versus buying products from factories that treat workers like this on foreign soil? Aren't we still funding slave labor anyway? Just "not on our soil."

 

I always find it amusing and hypocritical when people find it wrong for their tax dollars to go to HELPING people and to keep this nation healthy (instead of falling behind in health care as we have done in relation to other developed nations!), but they don't mind their tax money going to fund wars that will KILL people. . .both foreign nationals and our own Citizens!

Maybe the answer is to be able to DECIDE where we want our tax money to go? In that case, I am more than willing to pay for health care, for education, even for food stamps for the needy. . .but I will withhold my portion of the tax I pay and won't pay for defense, or for corporate welfare, or for a DO NOTHING Congress.

 

It is to invite and encourage people to "think and discuss" for ourselves.
most of the benefit of these cases that has reached me, is in sharing objections or points of agreement
among peers so we educate each other on what is going on with people. that is the greatest benefit.
so thank you also for this!

what is important in reaching a consensus is finding agreement point by point,
and resolving objections one by one. that is best done on a local level.
as every person works out conflicts, one-on-one, with others within our reach,
then collectively this influences the greater community to work out the same process.

if we do this for every issue, then collectively we build toward a consensus on all issues.
we all go through the same process, which can only be accomplished by working and building locally.

 

Yes our government allows this to happen even though it isn't in our best interest as a nation as a whole. We finance dictators, and communism throughout the world, offer aid to countries with barbaric practices, and we (politicians working for us) support slave labor of many kinds even on our own soil and turn a blind eye, with a wink, a hand shake, and suitcase of small undisclosed amounts of cash/favors/gifts.

Just tossing another angle into the insanity.

 

So a Catholic CEO could oppose ALL contraception coverage? And a Christian Science CEO could oppose ALL health care coverage, right?

 

They are a business if they do not want to follow the rules then maybe they should go out of business.

 

Yeah, well, on this point I do not agree with you on two issues.

Lobbying to give e-hugs to corporations seems silly. They exist not to do what is right, but to make money, and holding them up as some sort of moral stance seems silly to me.

Second, the position of this corporate entity that wishes to cite beliefs in the mythical, mystical, and occult as the reason to tiny provide a small segment of health care to it's employees also seems silly.