Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No it is you lying and it is you claiming he was intimidated into changing his story but you have no evidence of this.

    And yes I did clearly prove you wrong.

    I can do this forever you have been completely ruined debunked folded shredded and mutilated.

    You have nothing.
    SO NOW BOY. since every one knows I have proven you wrong answer my question.

    Cite \a specific quote form the WC which you have never done and provide evidence that it is false which you have never done
     
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    It is you dreaming up out of thin air the claim that he was intimidated or pressured. Offer some evidence that they were intimidated or pressured. I proved they admitted to making a simple mistake which destroys your assertion that they found a mauser

    He and Weitzman admitted to a simple error and you are lying to claim otherwise. THEY prove you wrong.

    Now offer some evidence and cite a specific lie from the WC
     
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    I have proven you to be the liar and you know it.

    Now cite a specific lie from the WC with evidence that it is a lie.

    DO not lie AGAIN and say you have
     
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    http://garyrevel.com/jfk/rogercraig.html
    Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was never bullied into calling the Mauser 7.56 he and others identified a Carcano Manlicher instead, and he paid a heavy price.
     
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    He did not handle it or look at it closely.

    No one was bullied or pressured or intimidated into claiming it was a Manlicher Carcano because the rifle they found WAS a Manlicher Carcano.

    It is on you to provide evidence that they were bullied or intimidated or pressured into doing so and you can provide no evidence of any kind.

    You have been proven wrong and you know it.

    Now answer the question and cite a specific claim from the Wc which is a lie. YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO.. Provide evidence it is a lie YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO
     
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    Closely enough to identify the Mauser 7.56 stamped on the gun barrel.

    Oh, but I forgot...you were standing on the sixth floor of the Dallas school book depository when the cops showed up.

    The evidence I provide is not everyone was coerced into changing their story.
    Some people never wavered from the truth. If Boone wants to say he made a mistake that's on him. Craig never gave in.
     
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    Craig did not look at it closely enough to read such markings. Sorry you got nothing and it was a Manlicher Carcano which those who found it realized after mistaking it for a mauser.

    You have now claimed that others were bullied, intimidated, coerced or pressured into lying. If you claim one man was NOT bullied, intimidated, pressured or coerced then by definition you are saying others were.

    This is an outright you dreamed up and cannot support.

    You have been proven wrong and you know it.

    So now that we have established beyond question that no mauser was go ahead and found answer me.

    Cite a specific passage or quote from the Warren Commission which is a lie and provide evidence it is false.

    You have never done so
     
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    Answer me and cite a specific passage from the warren Commission which is false and provide evidence
     
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    Yeah and it doesn't match YOUR lie.

    Many innocent people are in prison because of the US government's lies, however it doesn't mean everyone in prison is innocent and it still means all plea bargain agreements are lies because all plea bargain agreements are written by the US government and not by those accused. Logic obviously is not your forte. When the US government lies on a pathological basis, there is nothing trustworthy about any of its claims. Only a blithering fool would trust a pathological liar to tell the truth about anything.

    Is there something you don't understand about that I owe you nothing Dr. NO? I'm not here to convince the likes of you about anything, you're already convinced the US government is trustworthy and you're here every single day rabidly spewing that incredible manure and denying every single post that claims otherwise. Sorry, you're not for real. That's why I rarely continue any line of discussion with you for too long, you make no sense.
     
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    All the stuff the feds and LBJ did after shows clearly they were hiding facts and evidence. Cleaning the car before forensics, violating numerous Texas statutes, no autopsy.

    Federal interference with normal procedures suggests cover-up, and that means they are hiding something.
     
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    This states more conclusively than ever that upon much inspection, including by weapons expert Seymour Weitzman and Captain Fritz, all law enforcement personnel on the sixth floor of the Dallas school book depository agreed that the rifle found there was a Mauser 7.56
    and NOT the junk rifle Manlicher-Carcano as specified in the false narrative cooked up by the Warren Commission.

    Any doubt by anyone present that they were looking at the German made Mauser and not the "humane weapon" Manlicher-Carcano (so named because it was notorious for being extremely inaccurate and difficult to use, yet another hole in the claim that Oswald was able to
    shoot Kennedy and fire off three rounds in a few brief seconds from his vantage point in the TSBD sixth floor window) was instantly dispelled by the clear and prominent stamping into the gun barrel metal of "Mauser 7.56" so as to identify the brand for everyone to see. AND SO IT WAS.

    Of course the law enforcement people present weren't aware that they weren't supposed to honestly and accurately report that the weapon they found was NOT a Manlicher-Carcano and in all their reports there is no doubt what they found. Is there any reason to believe that
    such an important and key piece of evidence seen by so many pairs of eyes would be so casually inspected and misidentified by everyone present especially when the make and model of the rifle was stamped into the weapon itself for all to see?



    Later, obviously, the people steering the cover up realized that this inconvenient fact blew up their story and people were pressured into changing their reports but not everyone did and this fact is key!
    And the fact is even after having the weapon found on the sixth floor in their possession for hours after the first assessment was made, and well into the next day, the rifle was still referred to as a Mauser and not a Manlicher-Carcano.

    You'd think one single person in the chain of custody, as the rifle passed through many hands, would have discovered that this one of a kind bit of evidence was misidentified. Especially when the make and model of the rifle was stamped right into the gun itself!
    But no...no one did That is until the Warren Commission convinced Boone, Weitzman (who owned a sporting goods store and was well acquainted with rifles of all sorts) and Captain Fritz that, well, somehow, they had ALL been mistaken and didn't see what they all recalled seeing very clearly....all except for Roger Craig. https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WTKaP.html

    He insisted he had NOT made a mistake. He maintained he made no error and he kept to his original assessment that
    had indeed inspected the Mauser and not a Manlicher-Carcano. Despite being a model officer was fired from the Dallas police department a few years later.
     
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    The differences in JFK's skull after it was illegally removed from Parkland hospital in Dallas and when it showed up at a military managed
    sham autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital (performed by two absolutely novice paper shufflers,,,NOT forensic pathologists) are staggering.

    Things like this just don't happen unless the people behind it are invested in a certain result. Many many witnesses died in the years just after
    the Kennedy killing. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/deaths.html
    People noticed. The list is staggering and filled with people tied to the Kennedy killing who all died under violent and mysterious circumstances.

    Not a one died of old age or natural causes. Kennedy was the first to die but not the last and whether a famous columnist, a US senator or just someone who unfortunately saw or knew something they shouldn't have, they all met suspicious ends.
    This is not coincidence. It is an epidemic of death surrounding the JFK murder and cover up.
     
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    I stated no lie and my conclusion did match and is perfectly consistent with your statement.

    As I said you cannot have it both ways. Either the government ALWAYS lies as you claimed in which case every person locked up is innocent OR you know you are wrong and it does not always lie. You are trying to have it both ways and claim a contradiction is factual when it is not.

    Many does not mean all nor can you even offer evidence that your statement about MANY innocent people is true. Who writes a plea bargain does not make it a lie whatsoever. Nor is logical anywhere to be found in your contradiction proving you are the one ignorant about logic.

    Get this straight boy: you are making grandiose and illogical claims which require evidence and yes YOU DO OWE it. You provide evidence as asked or it proves YOU are the liar.

    You do not continue because you are always spanked beaten and humiliated and you simply run away when asked to support your assertions.

    Now your statement is a a lie and you know it and YOU ADMIT IT if you do not quote one specific part and prove it is a lie
     
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    Suggestions are not evidence and much of what you say is false such as your claim that they cleaned the limo before forensics gathered evidence
     
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    Dead wrong and already proven so.

    The video offers no evidence whatsoever which has not already been discussed and your claims are still debunked and proven wrong by the evidence provided.

    There was no mauser found. Weitzman and Fitz merely mistook the weapon for a mauser and they were not weapons experts. They never identified it as a mauser because of a stamped word on it they only stated the weapon IN GENERAL looked like a mauser. They admitted clearly that hey were simply mistaken which is quite logical as the weapon superficially resembles a mauser. No matter how much you try a claim by someone else does not alter those facts. The word mauser was not stamped on the weapon for all to see because it was not a mauser and they simply misidentified it and you are repeating a proven lie about it

    Craig was a good officer who ran into problems and caused his own firing and death neither of which had anything whatsoever to do with the Kennedy case and even good officers can go bad and get fired.

    BTW the term you used " humane weapon " is dreamed up by people who never fired it and yes it was a deadly weapon especially at close range which means your so called hole does not exist.

    The law enforcement officers did honestly report what they found but simply made a mistake at first glance and then they honestly admitted to this mistake. The weapon was Oswald's Carcano. The fact that one guy disagreed means nothing especially since he turned out to be a bad officer who was fired.

    No matter how hard you try these facts have been proven and in your face and you know it.

    You have no evidence of anyone being pressured and your claim that they were makes no sense.

    According to your logic they had to lie about the weapon and call it a carcano when it was a mauser. If your entire fictional claim was correct it would simply make more sense for your fictitious conspirators to simply say " oswald owned a mauser".

    But logic is something you fail to grasp much like your friend Bob.

    None of them recalled seeing it except craig who was not the closest one and who lacks credibility. Other than him they all admitted to a mistake and you have offered no evidence to challenge that fact

    You are beaten and spanked again by facts.

    Now answer me and cite a specific part of the WC report which is a lir or in error and provide evidence YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO.
     
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    If were up to the government everyone would have lied! But Roger Craig would not change his story.
    As usual your thinking is about as perceptive as a sack of manure.

    What is this supposed to mean?

    The ramblings of a lunatic do not impress me. They probably would make an impression on a psychiatrist however.
    They only show me the quality of people that, after all these years and all the witnesses killed and all this information that demonstrates how the Warren Commission simply published a bunch of lies there are still people stupid and mental enough to believe them.
     
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    There are no such differences and his skull was in the same state when it arrived at Bethesda as when it left Parkland. You are stating a lie that it was different and it requires evidence which you will never try to to provide because you have none.
    The expert trained and experienced pathologists at Bethesda were in the military but managed their autopsy on their own without anyone else managing or supervising.

    The autopsy has proven many of your claims to be false and that is why you have to lie about it to save face. The experts who performed the autopsy prove you wrong and you know it

    You state an outright baldface lie to call them novice paper pushers and you have to provide evidence for your claim but never will.

    The list is false and people die every day. When enough people witness something it is a certainty that yes some will die the next day and in the years that followed.

    What a stupid lie saying not a one died of natural causes yes many did and have and there is nothing at all statistically unusual about anyone dying after kennedy

    Now stop acting cowardly and answer.

    Cite a specific part of the WC which is a lie and provide evicence
     
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    It means what it says and was directed at someone else.

    What I say DOES Impress you and you hate it.'

    You hate it because you are exposed as uninformed and lacking in knowledge about this subject.

    You know your claims have been debunked and it i embarrassing to you.

    Admitting to a mistake is not changing a story and no one made anyone else lie.

    Name one specific lie from the Warren Commission and evidence that it is a lie. Your blanket generalization is simply idiocy but also requires some evidence so go ahead and name one such specific lie,
     
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    That's of course directly contradicted by the people that were there.

    Actually Seymour Weitzman was considered an expert in firearms having bought and sold them for years. But why let mere facts stop you?

    Officer Roger Craig
    disputes everything you claim as a know nothing, wasn't there, don't know what happened, bat **** crazy speculator.

    This is purely your own speculation.

    You have no idea who came up the term
    humane weapon for the clunky WWI era Italian rifle and are frankly full of **** but I am used to that. You just make absurd claims
    like the one here as if you actually know what you are talking about. I don't know why you bother.

    Yes. As I was saying, totally full of ****!
    Do a detailed study of Roger Craig's dismissal and then come back and try to prove to me that he was a bad officer.
    How gutless it is to slander someone who would not change his story for the quislings in the Warren Commission.

    The story was cooked up long before the day Kennedy was shot.Once "facts" are established the details must be made to fit the narrative.
    Not visa versa.

    How does a former "Officer of the Year" in Dallas lack credibility?
    You are the last person in the world who should taking about someone else's credibility.

    Try pounding sand.
     
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    Wrong wrong wrong! Simply all lies in matters of established fact. Who is paying you to deny the truth? Are you an American citizen?
     
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    No it is not directly contradicted by the people who were there it is proven by the people who were there with one exception. That has been proven and you are denying fact which has been proven because it destroys your narrative.

    When I said THEY I was clearly referring to Fitz Boone and Weitzman. THEY did not identify it by a stamp. Their collective testimony Trumps The story told by Craig who has credibility issues.

    You are proven wrong by them.

    No he was not considered an expert in firearms regardless of having bought and sold them for years. He owned a sporting goods store which included many things besides guns. This does not make one a firearms expert and he admitted he simply misidentified the rifle. DEAL WITH IT.

    No it is not speculation it is what Craig's record shows. It is speculation that his problems had anything to do with the Kennedy assassination.

    Yes I do actually YOU dreamed up the term it was not a quote and is a figment of your imagination.

    A detailed examination proves what I said about him. Nothing whatsoever in any detailed examination of hi records suggests he was fired for any reason connected to Kennedy/ You have no basis for such an implication/ HE is not credible nor unimpeachable.

    It was never cooked up as you have no evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved. You have certainly been schooled and proven wrong on this mauser crap.

    Even officers of the year can go bad and when he was fired it harmed his credibility.

    I am pounding you and you are losing and the bad thing is you know it.

    Now answer and cite one specific part of the WC which is a lie and provide evidence that it is a lie
     
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    Very similar to the 9/11 "investigation".
     
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    Nope all facts and it is you lying.

    And that is proven.

    And you know it.

    Now answer me and cite a specific part of the WC which you claim is a lie and provide evidence that it is a lie
     
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    Both were accurate and honest investigations which you have failed to even challenge much less refute.

    Cite a specific passage from either one which you think is a lie and provide evidence that it is a lie
     
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    What a waste of a human being, fanatically defending US government lies daily. Bend over BOY, the US government wants you.
     
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