https://conservativebrief.com/vice-scenario-74203/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=ProTrumpNews This is an interesting idea, assuming Robert Kennedy Jr. would go for it. He loses where he is, but he is still a democrat. But he can win a VP slot as an independent with a lame duck Trump since he pulls votes from Biden, and in so doing will dilute the support of all Biden challengers, plus pull votes from Biden if Biden should make it to 2024. He has name recognition. He and Trump can both show a cognizant front as well as participate in debates Biden can't do. We shall see... Do not underestimate the allure of a foot in the door for 2028.
If Trump could resurrect JFK and run with him, it wouldn’t do any good. The problem is Trump. His political name is toxic and he’s unelectable.
If he wins the primaries, he would have a hard time finding anyone run with him given the way he treated Pence when he was VP. It would have to be someone with only half deck, like MTG, Boebert, Gaetz or Santos.
Lincoln did the above by choosing Democrat Andrew Johnson for a unity ticket. They ran under the banner of the National Union Party, not the Republican Party. Today’s highly partisan MAGA Republicans wouldn’t go along with choosing a Democrat, then too, I’m sure RFK Jr. would tell Trump where to go in a hand basket. But that does bring up an interesting idea for the No Labels Party since 60% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again, 56% don’t want Trump to run again either. Questions 22 and 23. https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/rj3bg6ve06/econTabReport.pdf How about Democrat Joe Manchin with his VP being Liz Cheney for the No Label Party. That’s about as close as one could get for another National Union Party. But they’d have to be able to raise tons and tons of money to be competitive which isn’t possible. Remember the 2 major parties spent 14 billion dollars on the 2020 election alone. That amount of money makes it impossible for any third party to be competitive. Just an alternative for those who dislike and don’t want neither Trump nor Biden to be their next president. A way for the voter to protest both major parties nominating unwanted and disliked candidates. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/10/cost-of-2020-election-14billion-update/ Interesting that 42% of that 14 billion came from large individual donors to the Republican and Democratic Parties. Strange on how the super-rich individual can donate 6 billion dollars to an election. Seems both major parties are bought and paid for. Here I thought with campaign finance reform individuals were limited to 3,000 dollars or there about, not billions. Seems congress left a ton of loop holes in their campaign finance reform laws so their major super-rich donors could continue to pump billions into their campaign coffers.
That would be ideal. As for raising money, I think they'd be able to do it because (as you said) Americans dread having Trump and/or Biden run again, so I think they's welcome a moderate mixed ticket.
I’m not so sure about the money. Yes, on small individual contributions. But the two major parties also receive tons of money from corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests along with the super, mega, large individual donors. Those corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests. super, mega, rich, large individual donors aren’t about to donate to any third party. They want the biggest bang for their buck. The largest return on their investments, er, donations. They want those in power to owe them. Even Ross Perot who received 19% of the vote in 1992 didn’t receive a dime from corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests, etc. It's sad to say, the candidate or party that receives and spends the most money almost always win the elections. Since 1964 the lone exception was when Trump beat Hillary Clinton in 2016. Clinton raised and spent 1.191 billion to Trump’s 646.8 million. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/?leadSource=uverify wall Bottom line, money is politics. Politics is all about money, nothing else.
First of all, thank's for the Yougov link. I never could seem to find the stat page! Second of all, If you take Yougov surveys as I do, then you know they very out of balance with a hard left bias, and they don't seem inclined to correct it. To the rest: The Democrats are moving forward with a candidate who's only chance to win is against Trump with aid of the deep state. Yet it is a coin toss whether Biden will live to be sworn in. Cakela Harris has the highest negatives of all. If Biden wins, he dies or is comatose until someone notices, then Harris manages the Ukraine war, the growing Iran, Russia, China triad, a showdown with China over Taiwan, and a struggling economy with the third world invading America's entry level AND skilled trades workforce. Don't forget, Trump is not as glued to the Republican Party as you might presume. He sees them as being in America's way, by putting up "lose with honor candidates", and refusing to recalibrate to America's place in a changing world. Back to Kennedy, Kennedy is a trial balloon with 15% of Biden's votes. Biden cannot afford to lose that. His liability is the Kennedy clan's bad luck trying to stay alive. Both Trump and Kennedy can raise money, and the RNC and corporate America are not going to sit this one out.
Ideal for whom? Cheney, being the queen of neocons, and war mongers, who is this supposed to appeal to?
Bottom line, money is politics. According to 538 who I trust, YouGov has a bias toward the democrats of 0.6 points. But everyone, each person can make up their own minds as to who or which polls to trust or not. I also like RCP which averages all the polls out. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ Today, I’d would say that Biden’s best chance of winning a second term is going up against Trump. That I agree with. Also, Harris has even worse or lower favorable and higher unfavorable than either Trump or Biden. Independents dislike Harris more than Trump and Biden. If age becomes an issue, especially if Biden looks old and feeble on the campaign trial, Harris may end up being a drag on the ticket as Quayle was to G.H.W. Bush back in 1992. I think Biden will have to look more energetic with a bounce in his step during the General election campaign than what he has looked like today, old and lethargic. But we’ll see. Independents dislike Trump the individual, the person, the man. They don’t like his uncouth, obnoxious, rude persona, his very unpresidential behavior which many deemed way below the dignity the office of the presidency deserved. With Biden, it’s mostly his job, his overall job performance, his attachment to the progressive agenda that independents think he’s gone way too far left. Of course, those on the left can’t see that, they think he’s mainstream. Perhaps the problem is republicans look at Trump only through their quarter of the population, the GOP base. The Democrats are looking at Biden the same, only through their quarter of the population, their base. Neither party are even gauging what the remaining 50% think, want, feel or in the case of Trump and Biden, what they don’t want.
There is no way that Biden is going to look spry and coherent unless Disney builds a super robotic version of him from the Hall of Presidents and finds a way to power it other than an electrical plug in the floor. The old man is worn out, but he doesn’t have brains enough to realize it. The disgusting part is we are stuck with 80 year old Biden and 78 year old Trump. What a choice! Even in their prime neither of them should ever have been president.
I agree, but what choices did the two major parties give the voters other than candidate most Americans disliked and didn’t want to become president in both 2016 and 2020. Trump became president in 2016 because he was disliked a bit less than Clinton. Biden became president in 2020 only because most wanted Trump gone, not that they were on Biden’s side. It was anyone other than Trump election, Atilla the Hun would have done. 2024 will be the same, most will vote for the candidate they want to lose the least, not win, but lose the least as most Americans don’t want neither one to be the next president. Both major parties are turning a deaf ear to most Americans, telling most Americans to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
I could vote for Tim Scott, but I don't think he's got a chance to get beyond the primaries. The Trump cult voters are going stick us with him, and all of these foolish people with no chance only makes Trump's nomination more certain. The Democrats do have a choice and so far, they are determined to nominate Biden. The trouble is I can't vote for other alternative, Gavin Newsom. The only good thing about him is that Harris can't run with him because they are from the same state.
As it stands today, Trump is at 53% among Republicans for their primaries. Which basically means, no one else stands a chance. Splitting up the remaining 47% certainly isn’t going stop Trump. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e..._republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html Biden has announced he will seek reelection, thus making any challenge to him moot. One can dream about both parties nominating someone other than Biden and Trump. But it isn’t going to happen. Perhaps the best thing we can hope for is that Biden reconsiders and drops out giving a fresh, young face a chance. By that I don’t mean any of the old foggies like Sanders and Warren or those who have run before.
LOL. And we'll see a few billion dollars of negative attack ads of both parties saying that exact same thing.
Yes, but candidates tend to keep a lot of the money they raise. Eventually it can be added to their net worth. Running for office, as Puff Daddy has implied, can be a serious wealth generator for savvy politicians. It's all about the Benjamins and the Ulysses.
The big difference today is democrats are demanding debates, and I don't think he can avoid them. He is going to look worse than he does today, unless they have discovered better drugs to give him.
Biden has always been gaffe prone, but he has been handling questions from the press better lately. IMO, it is a mistake to assume that JRB will not perform well enough to get past the primary debates.
Did you hear about Biden’s train that will run across the Pacific and into the Indian Ocean? All he needs to do is go off on one of those unscripted tangents and the truth about his progressing dementia will be evident.
I think a combination of Tim Scott and Tulsi Gabbard as a third choice might create a shocker in 2024. As you have pointed out, a strong majority do not want either Biden or Trump. In a Scott/Gabbard ticket, you have experience, a man, a woman, two people of color, a conservative, and an independent thinker who leans liberal. Both of them stress the goodness of our people and our country rather than cravenly sowing division. Something there for everyone.
The Right wants Trump to win so much that they are inventing theory which never works in politics. Just because 15% Democrat / Liberals wants RFK over Biden doesn’t mean they will switch party and give up their entire Liberal view and support Trump. In 2020 primary Joe Biden didn’t get 60% vote and lost first 3 primaries, yet no one from Dems jumped ship and voted for trump.
Yes, JRB has always been a gaffe machine, but that has never diminished his effectiveness as a politician. The RP is unlikely to defeat Biden with ridicule. They will have to rely on the DNC to help remove him from office, but I would not bet on that happening. "At the time of publication, there was no evidence of an actual proposal to build a railroad over the Indian Ocean. We found he was most likely referring to a proposal to build a rail line in Sub-Saharan Africa with the goal of reaching the Indian Ocean, which was referenced in an official White House transcript from May 2023." Snopes https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-ocean-train/
Possible Trump Vice Presidential Pick Could Be Nightmare Scenario For Biden I wouldn't worry. I think the chances that Biden makes the ballot are poor.
