Post op trans (for those that say they are open minded etc)

Here is a question, esp for those that like to think of themselves as modern, open minded, sort of people.

People who have surgically changed sex.

We know it happens.

And we their new gender is legally recognised.

If you are one of those who supports the premise that yes, these people really are 'trapped in the body' of another gender, and thus, you support and recognise their new gender, would you, being that you now admit to recognising their NEW gender, consider dating one?

If not (and I admit, I would not), but if you support and recognise their new gender, why then would you not date one?

Is that not a hypocrisy?

Jack

 

If I weren't already in a relationship and encountered a man who surgically became a woman---and was interested, had things in common, etc....sure I'd date 'em.

 

Yeah?

See, for me, they would always remain what they had been, not matter what the surgeon had managed to do.

 

I used to feel that way too.
But then I had the opportunity to spend some time with both pre and post op folks who were/are transgender and I dunno.....listening to them helped me understand more about how they are.

*shrugs*

Just how I feel.

 

The real question is, is she hot?

 

I have a hard time differentiating between those that really feel trapped and those that just feel trapped because they are unable to let go of societal gender norms and have a truly open mind. I am sure of my sexuality, and where I stand on my identity and I would only be with another person that feels the same way about themselves.

 

I need some parameters. Are we talking huge breast implants on hormones since she was 13 transsexual? Or just basically a man with a vagina transsexual? Because I think their are limits to our progressiveness based on how hot the transsexual is.

 

Don't get me wrong.

I could be a friend, or a work mate, or anything else.

I just could never get physical with them.

 

I've never heard of that!

 

That's different.

You are a homosexual, yes?

I just wonder if that which I mentioned, I wonder if it is really psychological, and if we are doing them a service using surgery to alter their gender?

I mean, what if I made the case that I really felt like something else, trapped inside the body of a human? What if my desire to be that something else, even superficially, was 'causing me distress'.(that I was not it)

Would it be better to counsel me, or use surgery to make me the thing I apparently so desired?

 

I don't eat genetically modified food and I (*)(*)(*)(*) sho aint eating a Jewnetically altered human(oid)

 

Later on in the day, this is going to make some sense.

 

I guarantee that a man who has had plenty of sexual experience with women would notice right off the rip the moment he inserted his penis that the hole he's putting it into is not "real".

A man with a hole is not a woman.

Transgenders do nothing but cheat themselves out of an orgasm.

 

LOL.

I think I would know even before, I really do.

How do you remove an adam's apple, for one thing?

And the voice is also v hard to alter, even post op.

 

You'd think but I've seen plenty of Jerry Springer episodes where dudes were fooled.

Intoxication and a dark environment can hide a lot of ugly women.. let alone a fake one.

 

There are surgical procedures for both, and also voice therapy.

 

Not necessarily a hypocrisy. Gender reassignment isn't about getting a date, it's treatment for the person's gender dysphoria, which is so strong that the individual is willing to make certain sacrifices.

Since I'm in what I consider a permanent relationship, I wouldn't date anyone else, and don't plan to start again even if that relationship ends. So I can only answer hypothetically. If I were to date someone, it would depend on many factors unrelated to their gender. For those that do have a connection, in the case of a trans person, it would probably depend on how successful the transformation was. It's not so much about the 'parts' for me, but other gender-related characteristics.

 

I know.

But I have heard them speak, and I can still hear their voice is not right.

Anyway, I would expect someone to tell me, well before it got intimate.

 

Well, those men must be really slow in the head.

Mind you, years ago, Israel had a Eurovision song contest person, that was post op trans, and at first glance, you would find that hard to tell.

[video=youtube;6fJzprA9e6U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJzprA9e6U[/video]

 

Maybe you just haven't found the right trans person yet.

How much people know about each other before they become "intimate" could practically be a separate thread on its own. If you're the kind of person that wants to know a lot about a person before getting involved with them in that way, then sure - I can see your point. Then there are the people that are just looking for a "good time"...

This is an area of considerable danger for a trans person. Revealing that they're trans can be really risky, and not doing so can be just as risky. Those stories you hear about trans women trying to trick straight guys into sleeping with them are something of an urban myth; let's not confuse this with trans prostitution or trans porn actors, though. There are some poor trans people who resort to prostitution to survive, despite the considerable risk.

 

If I went on a date, I feel I have a right to know it is with an actual women!

 

So you ask someone out on a date, and expect them to say, "Oh, I'm trans by the way"? Then how would you react if they did? Make no mistake - this disclosure can get a person assaulted or even murdered.

Maybe you need to get to know women better before you start asking them on dates, then. On the other hand, isn't that what dating is about? Getting to know the other person?

Like I said - practically a separate topic all on its own.

 

I think that it would depend on the type of relationship. In a male-female relationship there is some expectation of breeding. In fact, without being too overtly sexual, you kinda wanna get knocked up by your life mate. If I were to be involved with a transman then the ability to have my mate's child is 100% removed unless I were to take "her" egg which, to me, would defeat the purpose.

I'm trying to give an honest, non-politically correct answer, but sex and reproduction (or at least the attempt) is important to women in my age group.

As for lesbians, I would think it would matter less because they already are aware that there is some level of extra work involved to have children (same with two gay men).

While I get the idea that not all straight guys have good swimmers, there are at least swimmers involved.

 

It exists. Has my extreme progressiveness blown your cynical mind?

 

Well, it is obvious.

I would thank them for being honest, and move on.