PP "harvesting" fetuses up to 22 weeks

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Trinnity, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    :roflol: Your assertion that NO entity but Planned Parenthood contributes to the party that helps them the most is hilarious.


    """"""""""".....think bribing government officials to keep your taxpayer money coming is only bad if it is done by someone they disagree with...""""""""""""""

    Were you looking in a mirror when you said that? :)



    This still stands: Don't know if that's true but I would think they have the same right to donate as anyone else.....and of course it would go to Democrats ..THEY aren't the slobs trying to shut PP down
     
  2. Hoosier8

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    So you support this. Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Uh, your point that donations are made to political parties...ya, the world actually supports that or hadn't you noticed????????
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is called a quid pro quo and it appears that the only approved quid pro quo progressives approve of is when publicly funded organizations use tax dollars to bribe politicians for more taxpayer money.
     
  5. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    OK, now PROVE that Republican/Regressives don't.......


    you can't.
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure what your point is or why you defend this.
     
  7. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Likewise.
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not the one defending it.
     
  9. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    So how about we have the law leave the door open to giving these women the SAME protections which are afforded to the fetus?? Maybe the mother of a 16 year old daughter doesn't really want her around anymore...
    Shouldn't she have the "freedom" and "liberty" to "abort" ? Who are we to tell someone that they shouldn't be allowed to kill?

    Fact is, we can't protect the rights and liberties of one party without curtailing the liberties of another party. The woman should be free to exercise whatever liberties she chooses—so long as they do not negatively impact someone else.
     
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    Then your first attempt to control women is to call a fetus "someone else" or "another party." Then your second attempt is to claim an abortion "negatively impacts the potential father, so we must curtail the women's liberties. Then, in order to rationalize curtailing a woman's liberties, you must pretend that the pregnancy DOESN'T negatively impact her.
     
  11. FoxHastings

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    Oh for pete's sake! WHY are you pretending you've never been schooled in Abortion 101 ?

    How many times does it take to show you that a born person is not a fetus ? Can't you tell the difference???

    I think you can, you just don't want to because that would blow apart your whole "Women Must Pay For Having Sex" philosophy...

    You: ""The woman should be free to exercise whatever liberties she chooses—so long as they do not negatively impact someone else. """


    The fetus is free to exercise whatever liberties it chooses—so long as they do not negatively impact someone else...and it does as you well know....
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    The ability to choose requires the ability to weigh up options, please tell me how a fetus has the ability to weigh up options to make a choice .. furthermore since when has it been force to defend yourself against non-consented injuries?

    Are you attempting to say that black women are being whipped until they get an abortion?

    Really, so the logical conclusion that slaves and Jews etc were FORCED and women wanting abortions are not FORCED is a non sequiter :roflol: and please do provide your unbiased proof that black women are being "subtly pushed, pressured, and prompted" to have abortions .. when you can show me black women being led in chains or at the point of a gun to PP clinics your might have a point .. the comparison to slavery and holocaust is a disgrace to the slaves and Jews.

    Strange that you try to avoid the very fact that Nazi Germany forced women to either give birth (what you want) or forced them to have abortions .. please do show where pro-choice advocates forcing either of these?

    The fact you cannot escape is that pro-life has a very close link to at least one aspect of Nazi Germany's ideology, the aspect of forcing women to give birth.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    If a process can be ended and you want to stop that process being ended by a person you are by definition forcing that person against their will from stopping that process even though they have the ability to stop it. You can dress it up in any way you want the fact of the matter is that by banning abortion you are forcing a woman to give birth against her will.

    If it is a natural process it cannot be legislated by law ie you cannot advocate personhood for the fetus, the moment that happens it is no longer a natural process and even IF it is a natural process we adapt, change and stop natural processes everyday. A natural process is not subject to law.

    Whether a woman has multiple contraceptives at her disposal is irrelevant, the fact remains she has every right to defend her body from injury from a third party .. just as you do.
     
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    The fact that you persist with this stupid, anal argument just shows how desperate and ill informed you are.
     
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    If you want to ban abortion, then you do want to force pregnant women to give birth. If you are so sure of your position, own it.

    It is none of your business if she wants to be pregnant at another time. Pregnancy is not a small risk, I bet you wouldn't minimise it if you had a uterus.
     
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    It's absolutely evil if she kills her developing baby now because she'd rather wait until next year.
    Some women think pregnancy is all about their convenience.
     
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    What is absolutely evil is wanting to force women to gestate and give birth against their will.
     
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    Yes, women have the audacity to think they have the same rights as anyone else.


    They have the right to decide for themselves what is convenient and what is not just as you do.

    I doubt you let others direct your life by telling you that you can't do anything they deem convenient.

    And since when is doing convenient things a bad thing. Do you do everything as inconveniently as possible? That would be very strange.
     
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    Why .. . because you think so, hypocritical considering the fact you want to kill the baby AFTER it has developed if it is born hindicapped.

    Who cares if they think it is convenient or not, its none of your business.
     
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    And some men like to impregnate as many women as possible, lying about vasectomies etc while deliberately spreading STD;s

    So which statements are true and which based on nothing?
     
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    If you succeed in your mission to destroy Planned Parenthood, the result will be more abortions and more women dying from botched abortions. If you care.
     
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    No it won't. If PP has broken the law, costing it public funding, they caused that, not anyone else. Aren't these folks adults, able to face the consequences of their actions? Of course they are. They will be fine. Nothing like a lesson in honesty and the importance in following the law and your legal commitments to really improve an organization's character. Lessons like these are to be embraced, not avoided.
     
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    Thing is they have not broken the law, until there are actual charges made and made to stick it is nothing more than BS.
     
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    We will see. Are you willing to confidently predict that we won't be treated to PP exec's taking the 5th once they are testifying under oath about whether they were operating a criminal conspiracy to violate the law as a matter of practice and actively recruiting from the general public to carry out illegal practices?
     

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