President of the Boy Scouts says longstanding ban on gay adults... >READ MOD WARNING<

Before Posting, Read Mod Warning Here

President of the Boy Scouts says longstanding ban on gay adults is no longer sustainainable

The above is the full title as it would not fit within the title bar

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/2...-longstanding-ban-on-gay-adults-is-no-longer/

HYPERLINK above will launch you directly to the entire article

Below is a snip of the article

The national president of the Boy Scouts, Robert Gates, says the organization's longstanding ban on participation by openly gay adults is no longer sustainable and is urging change in order to avert potentially destructive legal battles.

Multiple sentences and questions from the thread creator begin below

According to the article, it appears that the head of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) fears legal action being taken against the organization.
The BSA is an organization which was founded upon solid moral and ethical values. Given that it is a private organization, I'm not sure how there could be any legitimate legal threat against them.

Any group of folks who disagree with the charter on which the BSA was founded are free to start their own special interest organization and try and pursuade parents to bring their children to that group. If you believe that your values are better than that of the BSA then go and compete with them, don't wage a media campaign against them.

IMO, a certain small segment of the population(3.6% per Gallup) is aware that parents do not agree with their value set and would not bring their little boys to them so starting a new group would be a waste of time. We have seen a new group called the Trail Scouts break off from the BSA when the BSA modified their values, and many parents chose to support the Trail Scouts who maintained the founding values.

Do you agree with the proposed change from the head of the BSA?
To those who are parents of little boys, will this make you consider the Trail Scouts over the BSA if you were considering scouting for your little boy?

 

Interesting claim in bold above.

I searched for this poll regarding the "value set" and was unable to find it. Have you a link that you can share?

That being said, as the Boy Scouts use public facilities for their actions, should they have discriminatory policies? Seems clear to me that if they wish to have these policies, perhaps their activities should be confined to private land, where they would be free to do so.

 

>>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<<

Just to reiterate what I said in the last thread, so others may comment on it, it doesn't appear this will be a complete acceptance of gay scout leaders. Because many of the local troops are already taking steps to defy the policy, the thought is to allow local troops to decide for themselves on the matter.

I think this is the best option.

 

I disagree. If I live in Podunk and send my little boys to the BSA, but then move 200 miles away, I'd like to know that the same core values are there.

Either the BSA allows adult males who choose homosexual-sex to take little boys on overnight trips or they don't.

 

are you requesting a link to my opinion?

Please pay careful attention to the words used. Also perhaps you are unaware that Rule #10 no longer exists AND when a poster states something as an opinion, it is that.

Now, are you of the opinion that those who choose to be part of the 3.6% with respect to a sexual lifestyle would have no problem gathering enough little boys to join their own nation-wide scouting group?

 

No, I am asking for a link to your claim. You stated there was a Gallup poll regarding some value set. Would you care to provide it?

 

You want people to set standards based on the off-chance that you might one day move into their area? Do your research before you move.

From the sound of what the President is saying, if you can't get regional control, you'll end up with a national mandate.

 

I suggest that you read the post again

My statement was about a small segment of the population. I then use parentheses to elaborate on the size of the segment along with the polling firm which established that number.

On many occasions, in many posts, I have provided links with the results of the Gallup poll INCLUDING the one which raised the number from 3.4% to 3.6%.

Please feel free to "Google" the polling firm or to review my post history to find the details.

MOD EDIT - Off Topic

 

I read the post. Do you have a link to this Gallup poll regarding this value set? I would be most interested in reviewing it, as I have not seen such a poll and I am unable to find it upon searching.

 

I understand the position you are taking. If the BSA wishes to become a more regional or localized type of organization then they will need to modify their charter as well as be sure to be clear with that message. As an example, if I enroll my little boy into the Trail Scouts in NYNY, and then move to rural Texas, I would expect that there would not be a homosexual male leader taking my little boy on camp outs at either location. I expect the same base values.

Now, perhaps in NYNY they might teach kids about finance and in Texas they might teach them how to cook snake. That would be acceptable but deviating from the base core values would not.

MOD EDIT - Off Topic

 

I think it is safe to say that the poll is not what is claimed in the OP, but rather an inaccurate reiteration of the parameter in order bolster an argument where you are seeking to change what appears to be a harmless and immutable characteristic into some sort of value set in order to suggest that homosexuals are incapable of holding any values other than predatory sex drives.

Is that a correct statement?

 

I kind of feared this, and you saw this with the Indiana case. Privileges have become 'rights', and 'rights' have become obsolete. In this kind of political climate, America(which is a typically sue happy country anyway) is going to be in the Court rooms more than ever. It's about the right of individuals, not the right of Statists or some kind of power-trip groupie.

Wanna "come out"? Fine, but that doesn't mandate that people accept you. Or that they should. Or that the private right of association should be stripped away. All it means, is that you should be respected as an individual. But that also means respecting other individuals. In a predominately heterosexual world, you can't honestly expect the world to conform to LBGT standards of living.

 

But does that right exist within the BSA?

The BSA uses federal and state property and services. Don't they lose the right to have discriminatory policies upon doing so?

 

the statement, and the poll are about the 3.6% who choose a sexual lifestyle other than heterosexual.

I opined (that's stating an opinion BTW) that perhaps the driving motivation why the small segment of population (3.6% per Gallup) were not starting their own scouting organization because they knew that there would not be enough enrollees to sustain a nationwide scouting group based upon their value system.

>>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<<

Here is the head of the BSA who fears legal action from homosexual activists. Why do you suppose that is?

The BSA is a private organization and like we've seen with the Trail Scouts, anyone can go off and start a new group.

Why do you think that one particular, albeit tiny group would choose legal action, unfounded in my OPINION BTW, rather than just creating a new scouting group?

 

Now that we have established the claim regarding the Gallup poll and "value set" that was cited in the OP did not exist, have you a link to that poll that says that 3.6% "choose a sexual lifestyle other than heterosexual"? I would be most interested in reading that. I tried finding it using various search engines, and nothing came up.

 

The problem you and others with your mentality are facing is not the 3.6% of the population that self identifies as homosexual, it is with the 60% of the population that support their gay friends.

And why would there need to be a gay scouts, seems to me the BSA are welcoming to all and the bigots are self segregating themselves. I'm fine with that. Maybe yall should make a bigots of America club?

To your issue with homosexual men being scout masters over boys, I have two points.
1) the scouts have a system when two adults are required at all events, there are also men in the Girl Scouts.
2) the vast majority of boys that are abused are by self identified heterosexual men, even using percentages as a whole population - rendering your claim baseless.

You have still yet to cite any credible study showing that homosexuality is a chosen trait.

 

An interesting article on ho, even recently, our government and the BSA are connected.

The US Code authorizes the Secretary of Defense to lend supplies and equipment and transportation for Boy Scout events.

All branches of the military issue a promotion (to E2 or E3) for Eagle Scouts, the highest Boy Scout rank. This constitutes discrimination in hiring by the military as well as government approval of the Boy Scouts' discriminatory policies.

Equal Opportunity regulations in the military explicitly prohibit support of organizations that discriminate. Yet there is a close collaboration between the military and the Scouts. Department of Defense Instruction 1015.9 directs the Secretary of the Army to the Executive Agent for all components of the DoD to promote scouting among military families as directed by the President.

The U.S. President traditionally serves as the honorary President of the Boy Scouts of America, a tradition which President Obama has continued.

In early 2005, Congress passed a resolution expressing a sense of the Congress that the Department of Defense should support BSA activities through the use of military personnel, federal land use, and other assistance for their massive Jamborees. The 2005 Jamboree cost taxpayers approximately $8 million.

In 2008, Congress voted to pass the "Boy Scouts of America Centennial Commemorative Coin Act" (H.R. 5872). The bill mandated that the U.S. Mint create and sell as many as 350,000 one dollar coins commemorating the Scouts' centennial in the year 2010. A ten dollar surcharge on each coin goes directly to the Boy Scouts of America, who will net as much as $3.5 million in the deal.

- See more at: https://www.secular.org/news/govern...ry-policies-unacceptable#sthash.DTWhUXOJ.dpuf

Now given all of this, why on earth should the BSA benefit from such govenrment sponsorship as it were when they have discriminatory policies?

 

Does being gay automatically equal being a paedophile? That's what's being suggested here, if I read between the lines.

 

The Gallup poll is in regards to the population # identifying gays.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx

 

no and the numbers have been posted countless times and not one poster has ever suggested it to be a 100% strike rate

Statistics have shown that among the 221 million adult heterosexuals, there are 2 million annual cases of heterosexual pedophilia

Among the almost 8 million adult homosexuals, there are 1 million cases of homosexual pedophilia

In neither case is it a 1:1 ratio so I'm not sure why you try to suggest as such

Given the proclivity toward pedophiia among homosexuals, it is prudent to not permit them to be troop leaders of little boys. It is called mitigating risk and that should be the top concern as opposed to sparing the feelings of homosexual males.

As a parent, and one who has run a youth program, and instituted policies expressly designed to protect the children, it baffles me that the BSA would place political correctness above the children.

When the BSA sees an accelleration of the reduction in enrollments, they will see that many parents also do not understand this new position.

- - - Updated - - -

thank you but the Gallup polls have been posted countless times on this site and viewed by the posters who have requested it. It was a thread derailment attempt

 

Who cares about the Gallup Poll, dude. Pay attention to the important things at hand.

 

Wait, where is sex mentioned anywhere in the article?

 

This was refuted the first time you tried to peddle it.

 

So, out of 3 million paedophilia cases, there is a 2:1 ratio that they identify as heterosexual.

 

How many children will have to be molested before the Boy Scouts can reverse the policy?