Professor fired because he mixed up names of 2 black students

That was his reaction to being TERMINATED, not to the incident.

 

They walk very close together, on the same path.

 

nope, they fired him over the 9 pages, meaning he wrote that first

 

I did not miss that detail. I explicitly commented on it. See my post:

In the op's article it state: "Trogan said that the university cited the nine-page email rather than the name mix-up as the main reason for his termination and that he did not show 'proper development' from the conversation on October 5. "

So did the article make a mistake on the timing of the emails? Did Trojan forget he was terminated before he sent the 9 page email? All of these questions makes me think something is wrong here. There is more to this story.

 

Read it again, because it appears you missed the crucial detail AGAIN.


After his termination, Trogan sent an email again, this time a nine-page letter to his 80 former students explaining his view of what happened

 

After his termination, Trogan sent an email again, this time a nine-page letter to his 80 former students explaining his view of what happened

 

your right, the other email was before that one

the reality is, the kids should have just said sorry and sat down as they were late, they had no right to whine about anything at that point

the teacher should have kept it private and not emailed the entire class on wither email

like I said though, it seems there may be more to this story

 

If a professor screws up some student names, he is the one who should be corrected. That's the point. He screwed up. they pointed out his screw up. They are not supposed to feel intimidated, or embarrassed. They aren't supposed to have to wear the dunce cap.

 

If it's absolutely essential to the practicalities, then yes. Otherwise, suck it up. Don't enable narcissism by insisting people act out at the slightest insult.

 

Are you reading my reply? I said the 9 page email comment confused me too. The article contradicts what the professors Trogen says. The article says he sent the 9 page email after his termination. The professor says the university told him, he was terminated after the 9-page email. These 2 statement contradict one another. Either the professor is lying or misspoke or the Daily Mail is reporting it wrong.

Here is the timeline from the article.

On October 5, the university held a video conference with the professor and he was terminated effective immediately several weeks later.

Trogan said that the university cited the nine-page email rather than the name mix-up as the main reason for his termination and that he did not show 'proper development' from the conversation on October 5.

So it was Trogan, NOT ME, that claimed one of the reason for his firing was the 9 page email. I said that is confusing because the Daily Mail states the 9 page email was sent after the termination. If it was sent after the termination how can it be one of the reasons for the firing?

 

Its not 'acting out' to expect to be called by your proper name or to correct such a mistake. I am not a narcissist to correct someone who calls me Steve in a classroom, if my name is actually Brian. I would actually hope people would welcome the correction, so that it does not happen again. If the Professor makes the error, then he should 'suck it up' and be gracious, no grateful when he is corrected.

I am sorry if you are such a sensitive soul as to feel wounded if you get corrected for screwing up someone's name publicly, but I would do it a millisecond to you or anyone else who misidentifies me.

 

Or someone could just put on their big boy britches and get over it.

 

A polite 'actually it's Brian' is all that's required. Brush off any apologies, lest the person be made to feel worse than they already do. This is how civility is done. It's not done by having a toddler tantrum because someone gets your name wrong. Heck, most us won't even try to correct that stuff if it's going to be awkward or embarassing for the person who did it. We only do when it's likely to be more embarrassing for them if not corrected early. In the case of random interractions that's rarely the reality, so correcting others is pure narcissism.

 

It wasn't a temper tantrum. that's the 9 page email after you lose your job because you screwed up two students name and decided to embarrass them with an email sent to every student in the class, when the same two innocent students , have the nerve to correct you when you publicly screw up. and expect you to call them by their rightful name.

He made his first mistake by calling them by the wrong name. He made the second mistake by trying to embarrass them publicly via email again after they reminded him of their right names. He made a third mistake in whining like a toddler for 9 full pages about losing his job because of the first email trying to embarrass them.

Guess what I do, crank, instead . I ask people to please correct me if I happen forget their names or use the wrong one, or mispronounce it because I don't want to keep screwing up on their names, and I don't care who happens to be around when I do it. but then I am not a narcissist, and I am not so full of myself that I feel entitled to go through life making mistakes publicly and never being corrected right then.

In civilized society, we try to learn each other's proper name, and use it. It would never occur to me to expect someone not to correct me and anyone else in earshot of the errors so that we all get the right name, with the right face.

More and more often I have found you taking the most bizzare of positions when it comes to race. Black people just like white people, deserve to be addressed by their proper name - just like every other person on the planet - even if they happen to be to in this professor's class. Its not 'uppity' for them to insist that their name be used, and it's not uppity for them to complain when a professor singles them out for embarrassment when they do.

 

So, what exactly does that have to do with this case? That was the email AFTER they had already fired him. So they had already fired him for what he did BEFORE that, and that could not have been the reason why they fired him. But you don't care. It's just psychologically easier for you to find a justification for why what was done wasn't a problem and wasn't a big deal. Easier to find justifications for why everything is okay rather than recognize that things are not okay, and then have to worry about how to fix things.

 

Perhaps putting the students on blast for airing their concerns privately could be seen as targeting them...

 

You know what I think? Some things are so crazy that many people in society don't want to see them or have trouble bringing themselves to recognize them. So it's easy to assume there must be some alternative reasons to explain this thing away. It's human psychological nature to only want to see things that make sense to that person's understanding. And people will naturally look for excuses when something is psychologically uncomfortable to think about, when a certain line of thinking just doesn't make sense to them. So that is why, in a situation like this one, where someone was fired, many people will assume there must have been some alternate reason, and that the obvious explanation that is staring them in the face couldn't be true.

 

1) He was fired because the 'victims' of his mistake reported it as racism. Not because he made a mistake.

2) Well don't. Don't make it about you .. just accept what's offered without demanding more. And doing a whole song and dance routine when introduced to someone is making it about you, whether you are able to recognise that or not. We're all human, and all going to make mistakes - graciousness comes in accepting that. Stop demanding others protect you from human error, and in the process making the person work harder and more uncomfortably than most of us want to in a first introduction.

3) Maybe we do, maybe we don't. It's REALLY not important in the scheme of things. We do our best when it comes to names, but it's always going to be less important than our other civil qualities.

4) I have not mentioned race once in this dialogue. Are you on drugs?

 

This.

 

Any civilized person who makes a mistake should be glad to have it pointed out that they did so it can be corrected. I am sorry you feel entitled to call people by the wrong name. You are not. Its rude, and inappropriate. You should be corrected every single time you try to get away with it. So should this professor.

You do not 'do your best' if you demand to be insulated from being duly corrected. You only do your best if you are gracious and beg to be forgiven when you screw up. No, you want to get away with it.

You are entitled and self important. Black students have the same right to correct a professor as anyone else.

 

1) If you do it in error, you're obviously not deliberately calling someone the wrong name. The clue is in the word 'mistake'. It cannot be rude unless you actually know the person's name, but choose to call them something else. And going through life correcting everyone for ordinary, small, human mistakes, is the very essence of narcissism. Far worse manners than making an innocent name mistake.

2) Where did I demand to be insulated from correction? I recognise that in some circumstances it's essential to correct name mistakes (eg if you're going to be dealing with that person going forward - and then it should be done quickly, quietly, and with exceptionally good grace and no offence taken). But I also recognise that random singular encounters do NOT require it, so any attempt to do it is sheer bloody-mindedness on the part of the corrector.

3) WTF Dude? I have not once mentioned race in any of this. This seems to be YOUR problem.

 

Wrong again. How many times do we have to go through this. Correcting a mistake is not narcissism. Refusing to be corrected with grace and class when you make a mistake is the very definition of narcissism. If the professor did not want to be corrected by those students he needed to make sure he had their names right. Thats how we all avoid being corrected. Why do you keep making excuse after excuse for the white professor who was wrong about the names of those black students, was wrong to embarrass the same two black students with an email going out to the entire class, and was wrong to send an even more melodramatic 9 page email defending his outrageous egocentric and possibly bigoted behavior?

Do you think black students deserve to be misnamed publicly and not have the mistake corrected? I thought we all deserved to be named properly. Its why those names were given to us in the first place. .

 

1) What does 'refuse to be corrected' even mean? This is about ordinary HUMAN ERROR. It's not deliberate, so 'refusal' isn't a factor. Also, none of us get through life without getting names wrong, therefore it's an absurdity to expect it never to happen. Civility demands we let it ride in random singular encounters, because it's such a common and universal thing. If we're offended by someone we barely know getting our name wrong, then WE ourselves have a problem.

2) WTF does his race (or theirs) have to do with absolutely ANYTHING?

3) Again, WTF does their race have to do with anything? Why are you making them distinct from the rest of humanity? What IS your issue with black people?

 

The only ones on a power trip are the students.