Proof that Illegals Are Not Taking Jobs From Americans...

Because the government pretty much insists these people don't do those jobs. Why should they work when they can do nothing and get free food, free medical care, welfare, etc?

 

It's really a shame.

 

It may not be a perceived problem in your area, but you are just one person.

There are plenty of folks in the border areas that are affected negatively by illegals.

 

You're too blind-sided to see the problem, plus you may be part of it.

 

Maybe a sense of pride.

Maybe a stepping stone to better employment.

Maybe to have a better life beyond government assistance.

There are lots of reasons...

 

And please name 3 negative things?

 

Crime, gangs, drugs, guns.

Border towns pay price for illegal immigration. From the economy to the environment, citizens bear the cost:
Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7820047/ns/nightly_news/

Arizona Border Trash:
Link: http://www.azbordertrash.gov/

Just FYI: Mexico to Build Southern Border Fence:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/october-6-2010/mexico-build-southern-border-fence.html

 

I realize this, many people that are on assistance don't care and that is the problem. They think they are entitled to mine/other taxpayers money.

 

You do know hopefully that many people simply don't have the capability or potential to find good employment, make good economic decisions, to create wealth, etc.??

For anyone in this category, of which there are tens of millions, and living in the USA with our high cost of living capitalism, they are trapped in a Catch 22 position; they require money to survive but don't necessarily have the means to acquire money...

 

No one requires money to survive. There are other means of acquiring what one needs for survival, such as relying on family and perhaps even friends for support. I sincerely doubt there are 10's of millions unable to create wealth, unless you are counting in children.

Many of those who are unable to find the means to create wealth are restricted from doing so by the very organization you believe should also support them. Almost all businesses have barriers to entry created by regulation, whether local, state or federal. Just the act of giving someone a haircut or braiding their hair requires thousands of hours of training which probably isn't even necessary but protects those already in the profession from competition.

 

I just read that 18% of Americans derive their income from the federal government...this alone is tens of millions of people. Another 50 million don't pay federal taxes because they don't earn enough. And we have 15-25 million who are unemployed or under-employed. ALL of these tens of millions of people might have trouble creating wealth.

You're being quite picky with your example above assuming it takes 'thousands' of hours of training as if this is not achievable...for those who wish to take this route, they will...what's the big deal?

 

Wrong. Almost 50% of Americans don't pay federal taxes.

 

Yeah, by people directly affected.

 

My comment WAS NOT about Americans who don't pay taxes...it was about Americans who don't pay taxes who also cannot create wealth...

 

Yeah...like I'm directly affected by the weather but when someone asks me about the weather I complain it's too hot and the next person will say it's just right...it's all subjective!

 

I guess. Illegal immigration is good for you, but not for others.

 

What you don't understand is that this IS NOT an issue about what's good and bad for me. It is what it is...period. From my perspective, and from many other farmer's perspective, we don't or cannot care whether day-laborers are legal or illegal because there is NO ONE ELSE showing up to do the work. So if we don't have these workers, what other options do we have? If you have the answer to this question then problem solved. But I suspect you do not have the answer. If illegals have any jobs at all in the USA, they are jobs that Americans refuse to do! They typically require hard and dirty work for lower pay. Why do you and others worry about these types of jobs? If Americans really wanted these jobs they would compete for these jobs...but they do not! Yet you and others complain there are problems. In my area we have no problems because we understand the options, we deal with reality, and there's something for everyone which creates harmony...this cannot be any more simple...

 

Like what? Farm work can only account for probaly 1 million illegals or so, what exactly are the other 19 million doing do you think? I personally know that alot of them are working in manufacturing and construction and I can assure you plenty of americans would be willing to do those jobs. How do explain the Pei-Wei and Chipotle immigration raids? What is being a cashier or a waitperson one of those dirty nasty jobs americans won't do? How do you explain all the americans who immediately filled those positions? A pork plant just opened up 30 miles from me they needed to hire 150 people and they got 1900 applications. A minimum wage job at a slaughter house and 1900 people applied, yet your trying to tell me illegals are just doing jobs americans refuse to do? Illegals are taking jobs away from americans I and alot of other americans have seen it with our own two eyes.

 

OK, then why can't these folks follow our immigration laws, and then seek these jobs?

 

The obvious observation to your question is that you do not have any idea whatsoever how many illegals are currently on waiting lists or going through the legalization process or how many have green cards...do you?

And, if you believe what you stated above, then YOU are ignoring the FACT that they are already here! The discussion and potential solutions must be confined to dealing with those who are already in the USA. They are not going to be deported so what should we do for them?

 

Well, they have violated established immigration law, so they should be rounded up, prosecuted, and deported.

We all know that this will not happen since our federal government refuses to enforce its own laws.

If we give them any preferential treatment, it will only worsen the problem of illegal immigration.

I say deport them as they get caught. E-verify should be mandatory for every job within the U.S., except where work visas have been provided. This employer-based check will eventually flush out the violators. The SSA should also verify each and every SSN, to make sure there aren't any duplicates or fraud.

Heavy fines for employers knowingly hiring illegals.

Repeat illegal immigration should be prosecuted as a felony.

We all know from this country's past experience that amnesty does not work.

 

This is beside the point and does not have anything to do with illegal immigration.

It has become a big problem because of the systemic and chronic lack of enforcement. We need to get back on track with that.

Being in the U.S. illegally.

Because they can, and have not been caught. We need to change that. The attitude that law-breaking is OK because one has not been caught, is wrong. If you caught your neighbor stealing from you, but he has been stealing from you all along, is that OK?

Part of the deal was to secure the border. It did not happen, and illegal immigration is worse than ever.