Protesting Police Violence Is Critical. But Why Are the Social Distance Shamers Suddenly So Quiet?

The difference between BC and Sweden is negligible.

 

What I don't agree with is your characterization of what Trump says.

 

Sounds to me like you're more interested in locking down the economy than you are in locking down the lawless anarchy on the streets.

 

The lockdowns are about cowardice, stupidity, and lust for power.

No, they are about the suspension of basic freedoms, the loss of millions of jobs, and the destruction of countless businesses.

To pretend that this is about people wanting haircuts is one of the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen.

I'm not mad at you. I'm perplexed by you.

 

what do you think Trump is saying?

 

Cite his exact words, and only his exact words.

 

here is his guidelines he gave America, do you agree with them?



"*** In states with evidence of community transmission, bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate should be closed."

"The President's CoronaVirus Guidelines for America"

"30 days to slow the spread"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf

 

It was so absurd, I thought I would point that out.

 

Trump is useless.

 

Really?

Sweden has 4,814 deaths to 167 in BC, and 843 new cases to 10 in BC.

 

An interesting opinion care to provide any substantiating evidence?

Proof please? From anyone actually behind the government shutdowns. Crazy conspiracy theories need not apply.

In regards to the haircuts- again, I haven't seen any protesters that are looking for more then a return to enjoying petty services. Even if there are a couple, its pretty clear that the protesters failed to establish the greater economy as a component of their protests.

That's fine.

 

You sure pulled that one out of your rear. I have been praising BC that never issued a stay-at-home order. They shut down schools, big events, concerts, clubs, dentists except for emergencies, physiotherapists, malls, movie theaters, and restaurants except for take out. They encouraged people to go for walks, runs, bike rides, and so on. They got the numbers down and no they're opening up.

They cut the R0 on transmission by testing and aggressive contact tracing. They also shut the USA-Canada border to all but commercial traffic, essential personnel (doctors and nurses who live in one country and work in the other), and people returning to Canada. Except for truckers, train crews, pilots, everyone they let in has to isolate for two weeks.

 

Isn't shutting nearly everything down pretty much the same thing as a stay-at-home order? I'm still wondering why you don't advocate shutting everything down for the 3-month flu season every year; which kills about 40,000 annually in the US. Are not those 40,000 lives just as important as those who might contract covid?

 

Everything wasn't shut down, but much was. I could go Costco, Walmart, Home Depot, pick up food at drive-thru windows, get my car fixed,

SARS-CoV-2 is a much greater threat to life and health than a seasonal flu virus.

I don't think you Trumpers get it. People don't want to get COVID-19, and if the virus is circulating, they won't be out spending money. That will create a huge demand deficit. Are Republicans prepared to use government to stimulate the economy? It wouldn't seem so with McConnell dragging his feet on new spending.

Why not beat down the virus, limit large gatherings, test, and trace outbreaks? When there's little virus around, people go back to living their lives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52961539

British Columbia...



Five million people and ten new cases a day.

People are relaxing. I was in the wine store and then a gourmet today. BC is opening for business.

 

I think by now everyone should be able to put 2 and 2 together. The liberal code is "do as I say, not as I do"

 

Here's what you keep missing: The vast majority of protesters from New York to LA are not maintaining social distancing, which is why Fauci and others are clutching their pearls over it.

 

I don't know, 40,000 flu deaths per year seems like a pretty big threat to me, yet little if any attention is paid to it (we just learn to live with it).

You could argue that covid is more contagious (because it's new), but I could argue that the flu is more virulent. Isn't it true that most people under 60 who catch covid don't even know they have it, or have very mild symptoms?

 

A lot of the people are older and in nursing homes. It's just another disgusting thing that happens in this country that passes under the radar. How about all the drug overdose deaths, so many that life expectancy dropped for two years? How about having 2m people in jail?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

How about tens of millions of Americans without access to decent health care?

I don't think you have a good case the seasonal flu is as deadly as COVID-19. We won't know until we have more information about the virus and any long-term impact on folks' health.

The bottom line is that the virus is deadly enough for people over 50 and those with preexisting conditions that a significant portion of the population will stay home to avoid becoming sick. The drop in consumer demand is killing the economy. In looking at the reaction here in British Columbia to opening the economy, there are a lot more older people out and spending.

 

Yeah, with big, pink lettering. Very mature.

 

4,800 deaths in a population of 10.2 million is 0.047% of the population.

 

Sure.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/sweden-continues-to-prove-everyone-wrong.571188/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-tested-in-n-y-c-had-virus-antibodies.571605/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-decline-in-the-spread-of-coronavirus.571698/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ad-the-food-supply-chain-is-breaking.571794/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...resigns-after-breaking-lockdown-rules.572102/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/1-300-inmates-test-positive-for-covid-19.572163/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...avirus-lockdown-earlier-than-expected.572368/
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/cuomo-has-blood-on-his-hands.572678/

Looks like you have some reading to do.

This makes no sense. I'm just describing what has actually happened over the past few months.

Widespread suspension of civil liberties, tens of millions of jobs lost, thousands of distressed and failing businesses.

These are just facts. Asking for "proof" of them is rather puzzling.

Show me a single protester whose main complaint was haircut-related.

Failed to establish it with you, perhaps.

 

You're attacking me, not what I've said.

 

You Trumpers can't get your heads around the fact a significant portion of the public have decided avoiding the virus is more important than shopping.



You can force desperate people to go to work, but you can't force them to spend money. As best anyone can tell, minimizing the new case count is the only way to get enough people out shopping to save the economy.

 

In BC, people have emerged from their homes to spend money. I see a lot of old people out without masks. The traffic seems almost normal.



Take a look. BC got it's case count down in 30 days without a stay-at-home order. It can be done with leadership. We could have been on the same track here.

 

@Ethereal hey there Trumper!