I am somewhat libertarian and very much dislike our involvement overseas however Afghanistan may have some pretty bad effects. Right now we are over there fighting them now if nothing else what this is doing is keeping the busy. They have to deal with us over there my fear is that if we leave how long will it be before they come back over here to the US and we start having troubles like that bastard in france killing children. Also I can see violence ramping up in in europe too because they no longer have to deal with the US. What do you think?
I think our biggest mistake in regards to Afghanistan was totally abandoning the fighters we supported against the Soviets. After the Soviets left, nobody did anything to help put the shattered and fragmented nation back together again. And that came back 10 years later to bite us in the arse. Much as if we had simply pulled out of Germany and Japan after WWII, and did not help them rebuild after the fighting was over (or like what happened in Germany after it was shattered by WWI, the allied powers left them to fend for themselves, and the NAZI party rose to power). This is my fear when it comes to leaving nay nation to soon after a conflict. Unless they are able to sustain a stable and peacefull government, they will simply sink to infighting, and then years or decades later the war will have to be repeated. With a lot more deaths and destruction on both sides. And if anybody thinks I am being a fear monger, look around the world. Wherever "peacekeepers" left prematurely, the death and slaughter continued. Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq, Cambodia, Rwanda, Haiti, the list just goes on and on and on and on. But where peacekeepers are left in place, the nations generally remained peacefull. We had to go into former Yugoslav nations several times, but once we actually left the peacekeepers in place, the peace has pretty much remained. But I have no doubt that if they pull out, things will go to hell in a handbasket all over again within months.
Foreign wars are now used for achieving partisan advantage in domestic politics. That leaves the troops holding the bag. Division prevents wars from being fought effectively. Better to get out. If they follow us home destroy their cities and poison their water sources.
Was tht country unified an in perfect working conditions before the rooshskys got their The debate. Will always come we can't leave it like this our this will happen How about we can't go over too these places an expect them too like What we tell them too like
That is a little much don't you think I don't recall any armies or navies from the stan countries Trying too come here a set up a islamic style government And force their system on us
Perhaps, perhaps not. Do you know how the Mongols got cities to surrender without a fight. By making an example of the residents of cities which refused to surrender. It was a form of behavioral conditioning.
No, just sending representatives to kill thousands of innocent civilians and attempt to destroy some of the symbols of our way of life.
By the argument that being over there prevents trouble here, we should also occupy all of south america to prevent drug cartels, most of asia and east europe to stop human trafficking and a good amount of california to stop the greenpeacers. Now, where are we going to find four billion soldiers to occupy the planet?
If we pull out too early, there will be certain unavoidable consequences of doing so, of which, were pointed out by Mushroom in the second post. The problem being, Afghanistan has been experiencing Civil War since what, 1979? There are some problems that America cannot fix. We should have learned some of those lessons by now. I think the root problem is that unrealistic expectations have been erected. 'Nation-building' in Afghanistan is something of a pipe dream. It has been ravaged by a non-stop Civil War for over thirty years, as well, a full-fledged American invasion for over a decade. Reconstruction of the country is needed to hopefully stabilize it, but one must be realistic of the amount of damage that has befallen the state, as well, the duration and intensity. I do not much think that the US means to make Afghanistan an ally, which would be indicative of necessary reparations and overall clean-up effort to ensure that the government of Afghanistan could sustain itself. 2014 is not going to be enough time to undo all of the damage done by three decades of hell. Nevertheless, if we stay too long, that means our government invests too much. Afghanistan becomes an ally because of the investment. Like I said, I do not envision the government wanting this type of entangling relationship. And with the 2014 withdrawal deadline, whatever progress is made, is the progress that is going to carry Afghanistan into the future. To me, if anything, the withdrawal deadline being posted at the end of 2014 suggests that the theory of 'nation-building' has been a defunct one all along. Or maybe, nation-building in a different sense of the meaning, or just in one or two regions of particular interest.
The usa is obsessed with the old british mantra "educating the savages" Trouble is, the brits tried that with america and they coulden't be educated, so why believe it work in afghan?
There are large differences. To the UK, this meant that they would embrace being members of the British Empire. They thought that by educating them, they would then see how wonderful it is to be a member of said Empire. All we would like to see is them acting in a civilized manner towards themselves and others.
as long as we are hurting ourselves overseas, they will sit back and watch the show, once we stop, they will try to antagonize us into war again - jmho
What nonsense, the usa view is exactly the same. You want them (afghans) to embrace usa rules and laws. If they don't then the military is used.
Nobody should live on the basis of fear of what might happen . However , there are inescapable consequences to actions and now you will be on terror alert for the forseeable future , whether your troops are home or further deepening the mess they are in . More concerning to you should be the Terror your poor boy soldiers will inflict on themselves and those around them whether they wish to or not . Around 5% will return as successful psychopaths -- they went there as such and their soldier life has confirmed their outlook in their eyes. The vast bulk of others will return carrying terrible traumas which will erupt at some point , wrecking hundreds of thousands of lives and sometimes in murder . This is statistically guaranteed . So start planning for that .
We don't have much return on investment as it is. It's very possible the terrorist camps will return if we pull up tent stakes with no contingency plan to deal with a Post-Coalition Afghanistan. Minimally we should maintain a base there, but limit our influence outside the wire. The notion of an Americanized Afghanistan..is a pipe dream.
