Ok liberals, was the millions in tax cuts to Carrier to save jobs more worth it, or the millions spent on the recount?
Can you imagine if Donald Trump asked for a meaningless recount after a loss? Republicans would be ridiculed 24/7 by MSM/DNC and it would be in an effort to take the focus off of Hillary Clinton's awful cabinet picks.
Different source of revenue. Did lots of Trump supporters donate the money to fund these jobs so that the taxpayer would not have to subsidize the entire effort through tax bribes? Dems and Green Party members reached into their own pockets while Trumpsters did nothing but brag about what Donald really did not even deliver on.
WRONG (Donald Trump finger pointing). It will cost taxpayers in Michigan 1M alone... is that fair to them?
First show your work ( the costs and which budgets they are coming from), then consult the statutory language regarding recounts under state and county law. . Of course it is fair. their legislature wrote the laws by which recalls are called and those costs are accrued. One presumes that voters and the legislature weighed the tax dollars on one hand and the societal costs of unsure elections, and possible corrupt results left hidden and dormant when they wrote the statutes. Recounts are not to be deemed useless because the result does not change. the value in having a procedure to verify, has its own reward. if Michigan chooses to revise its statute it can. It can feel grateful if the same desired result has a shared cost with donations.
Typical righty. The recount costs taxpayers nothing. To do a recount the person/org must have "standing" and have the necessary funds to pay for it! - - - Updated - - - PROVE IT.
This tidbit has merit. The circumstances for exercising this procedure do not. The legality of a matter does not equal justification. It may be legal to drive 55 in the left lane of a six lane interstate, but that does not mean that you have to do it, or that it is the right thing to do.
And they'd wail "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" and "LOVE TRUMPS HATE!" around the clock. They would also assert that such a recount would literally kill brown people, gay people, and women. They'd all just ..... die. - - - Updated - - -
The circumstances for exercising this procedure are strictly defined by the Michigan statute. Its their money, and their statute for them to justify to their voters. I find it amusing that you are sweating these circumstances, when the benefit you call meritorious still arrives whether Trump is frustrated or Clinton or Stein. The partisan interest is what drives this process in any state, because the legislature assumes that normally the losers are also driving the suspicion and the doubt in the original result. Being as losing and suspicious voters are likely to stick around a long time in the state they feel sanctioned a fraudulent result, Michigan has the long term problem and its toxic affect wll undermine their future elections , not yours! That is why I let them pick the percentage before a recount is automatic, the process by which they choose to require outside funding and the process it is stopped, and the they are left with the consequences of either decision.
I will quote your source. "If the cost was $1.8 million and Stein paid $973,250,(*)taxpayers would(*)be on the hook for close to $827,000, unless Stein is charged more than currently planned. And Johnson suggested the cost could top $1.8 million" Michigan has already increased the charge once with a new estimate, they will continue to do so as needed consistent with Michigan law. No way that Republican administration is not going to charge Stein.
I dont claim to be a liberal, but Ill chime in. The recounts were a boondoggle, but you kinda have to go with it to defend democracy. The Carrier deal probably has FAR more negative unseens (see Bastiat) than seen positives. So I would go with the Carrier deal, because it is harmful while the recounts are wasteful.
What is odd is that the author of the OP, did not mention this was some hypothetical discussion. One might have been under the mistaken impression that in fact taxpayers would be funding a million dollars of this as though they had lost the address to send Stein a revised estimate, when they had already done so once. Odd that.
[FONT="]"Meanwhile, Eric Doster, general counsel for the Michigan Republican Party, thinks the $2 million estimate is low. Because a statewide election costs $10 to $12 million, he doesn’t see how a recount wouldn’t cost much more than $2 million, Detroit News reported.[/FONT] [FONT="]Jill Stein has raised $6.8 million so far to cover the costs of recounts in three states. According to her website, the filing fee for a Michigan recount was $975,000. This did not, however, include attorney’s fees and costs involved in bringing on observers in all three states. She estimated the total cost in all three states, including fees and observers, would be $9 to $10 million." Wrong, they better pay in full. Like I said.[/FONT]
