"Raising Children Without the Concept of Sin"

That in itself is pretty arrogant of you to think any of the Kingdoms you mention would want anything to do with you when all you do is live for yourself and whatever knowledge you might obtain in this wisp we call life. I knew as a small child without any instruction I was destined for far more than a "dirtnap" at the end. Perhaps that intuition was a gift, because I know not everyone has it. Many desire an eternity separated from God and I believe we all get what we want.

 

I've always encouraged people to extract the cork from their mouths and I admire you for accomplishing that task so well, my son. All you need to do now is remove the blindfold and the earplugs and you'll be on the way to a full life of joy and meaning. After all, that's the secret to covering all of the bases and fulfilling the master plan ..... just in case there is one.

 

Your continued DEFENSE of the physical abuse of small children, including infants, says volumes.

 

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No need to be snarky.. i was agreeing with you. Such a rare occurrence seemed something to highlight!

And yes. My subjective, observable reality has a great deal of relevance to the factual universe. Doesn't yours?

 

Jesus turned the world upside down with what He revealed to us. He did speak of the "child-like faith" that was a prerequisite to entering his Kingdom. I love that picture you posted of little ones looking at the stars and contemplating. That is so much more important than the cares of this world. The world IS ours to enjoy and there is so much more.

 

I think Michael Jackson's Neverland is up for sale. You should put in your bid. You can probably continue his work for Jesus there.

 

No....I think you should make the purchase and call it "Thingamabob Land" . You could take over Michaels Harem of little boys and tell them how "all knowing" you are. That should win their trust! You are so stuck on the material side of life. The Kingdom of God is not about "things". Guess that is why you are called "Thingamabob".

 

Not really. My observable reality relates to my observable reality interpreted throughy my preconcieved notions and personal biasis. The factual universe is interpreted through demonstrable facts.

 

Yes it says I am not a knee jerk liberal impervious to actual data. But what really says a lot is you continuous need to think that all physical disipline is physical abuse. Obviously you are one of the unhapply adults who instead of dealing with current reality has a need to keep justifying your lack of sucessful functioning by blaming it on your parents. There is help out there.

 

The world is mine, son. I have no restrictions on life or access to its wonders. Considering the minimal situation that people as yourself have created, however, I figure 'Neverlands' would be a comfort to an anxiety-riddled existence ... somewhere you can hunker down away from a gleeful, open-minded, yet upstanding populace. That is, after all, the reason it was built and equipped.

And speaking of "harem of little boys" ain't it curious that it is Christian 'men of cloth' who are most fond of them - and at the same time it is you who speaks of bigotry:

 

A lot of politicians could use a good physical whipping.

 

That you have stooped to puerile ad homs exposes the VACUITY of your position.

Your ongoing failure to defend the physical abuse of children is NOT my problem.

 

It is you who are sorely confused. You don't see the difference between men of "religious tradition" and "men of faith". You poor blinded soul.

 

Oh, I see the difference alright. There are two kinds of people in this life:

1). Happy, positive, tolerant, encouraging, sympathetic, and generous.

2). Sour, negative, intolerant, discouraging, unsympathetic, and stingy.

* I belong to the first kind.
* You belong to the second one and that's not a good way to be > > > > >

 

You seem to have some concept of 'Sin!', or a moralizing judgment. What is the basis for this belief? Why should your opinion of what is 'good!' be preferred over another's? Why should your moralizing beliefs be indoctrinated into pliable children? ..just to manipulate them?

How do you judge if people are 'Happy, positive, tolerant', or 'Sour, negative, intolerant?' Is that not a 'negative!' moral judgment about someone? Is this not the pot calling the kettle black?

 

None at all.

I just told you "none at all".

Because it applies to me.

I don't know what you talking about.

I still do not know what you are talking about.

Is it for you? Does my opinion make you unsure of your own faith?

Looks to me that is what you are doing right now.

 

Real world concerns about injustice and inequality are just another form of the concept of sin. Sin is basically a view of right or wrong. All sane people have an idea about sin, and it's impossible to get around it and remain sane.

 

Just depends on the child. Each child reacts differently to different things. Physical punishment is one of those things that is sometimes needed with some children. Overuse of physical punishment is, of course, a bad thing. That said, physical punishment works to change behavior in some kids, and it does so without harm.

 

Depends on the state, or the part of the state you live in. In NW FL, that wouldn't happen, unless there are some kind of marks.

 

Agreed. In general, I've found that the worst behaved kids are either never physically disciplined or over physically disciplined. My sons (now in college) had minor physical discipline (as well as non physical) for consequences for their behavior. They are well-behaved, well respected, and are on their way to being successful men.

 

I'm totally against capital punishment for children. The death penalty is simply too much for children to handle.........

 

Note the word in the title "Harsh corporal punishment." Yes, beating a child harshly on a regular capricious basis is bad for them. Nobody is suggesting that a child have harsh corporal punishment inflicted. that's the problem with anti-spankers--you have no basic judgement skills. A spanking on the rear with an open palm is not a vicious beating, and doesn't cause harm. Personally, I think groundings are much more harsh punishment than spanking is. In grounding, you remind the kid again and again for the whole time of the grounding that they have done wrong. With a spanking, it's over with in a few minutes, and then you can reconcile, and the parent-child relationship goes back to normal, instead of the parent having to be a prison guard for a week or so.

 

What works with one child won't work with all children. Parents need a grab-bag of techniques to use, and demonstrating parental love is a major one. That said, with some kids, the only thing that works for some things is a spanking.

 

Exactly.