Oswald was a poor marksman. The following are attempts by actual experts. Not the failure rate as well as the incidences of jamming. Remember these experts were NOT shooting at th President of the United States but rather simple targets 1) FBI firearms expert Robert A. Frazier testified that "It is a very accurate weapon. The targets we fired show that."[62] From 15 yards (14 m), all three bullets in a test firing landed approximately 2½ inches high, and 1-inch (25 mm) to the right, in the area about the size of a dime.[63] At 100 yards (91 m), the test shots landed 2½ to 5 inches (130 mm) high, within a 3 to 5-inch (130 mm) circle. Frazier testified that the scope's high variation would actually work in the shooter's favor: with a target moving away from the shooter, no lead correction would have been necessary to follow the target. "At that range, at that distance, 175 feet (53 m) to 265 feet (81 m),[64] with this rifle and that telescopic sight, I would not have allowed any lead I would not have made any correction for lead merely to hit a target of that size." 2) The rifle couldn't be perfectly sighted using the scope (i.e., thereby eliminating the above overshoot completely) without installing two metal shims (small metal plates), which were not present when the rifle arrived for testing, and were never found.[65] Frazier testified that there was "a rather severe scrape" on the scope tube, and that the sight could have been bent or damaged. He was unable to determine when the defect occurred before the FBI received the rifle and scope on November 27, 1963. Ballistics Research Laboratory tests[edit] In an effort to test the rifle under conditions that matched the assassination, the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army's Ballistics Research Laboratory had expert riflemen fire the assassination weapon from a tower at three silhouette targets at distances of 175, 240, and 265 feet (81 m).[66] Using the assassination rifle mounted with the telescopic sight, three marksmen, rated as master by the National Rifle Association, each fired two series of three shots. In the first series, the firers required time spans of 4.6, 6.75, and 8.25 seconds respectively. On the second series, they required 5.15, 6.45, and 7 seconds. The marksmen took as much time as they wanted for the first target at 175 feet (53 m), and all hit the target. For the first four attempts, the firers missed the second shot at 240 feet (73 m) by several inches. Five of the six shots hit the third target at 265 feet (81 m), the distance of President Kennedy from the sixth floor window when he was struck in the head.[67] None of the marksmen had any practice with the assassination weapon beforehand except to work the bolt. CBS conducted a firing test in 1967 at the H. P. White Ballistics Laboratory located in Street, Maryland. For the test, 11 marksmen from diverse backgrounds were invited to participate: 3 Maryland State Troopers, 1 weapons engineer, 1 sporting goods dealer, 1 sportsman, 1 ballistics technician, 1 ex-paratrooper, and 3 H. P. White employees. CBS provided several Carcano rifles for the test. Oswald's rifle was not used in this test. The targets were color-coded orange for head/shoulder silhouette and blue for a near miss. The results of the CBS test were as follows: 7 of 11 shooters were able to fire three rounds under 5.6 seconds (64%). Of those 7 shooters, 6 hit the orange target once (86%), and 5 hit the orange target twice (71%). Out of 60 rounds fired, 25 hit the orange (42%), 21 hit the blue portion of the target (35%), and there were 14 misses on the target (23%). One volunteer was unable to operate his rifle effectively, so the following statistics are based on the 10 remaining shooters. The average time of all 10 was 5.64 seconds. The mode was 5.55 seconds and the mean was 5.70 seconds. The average for the top five shooters was 5.12 seconds, and for the bottom five shooters 6.16 seconds. There was a high occurrence of jamming during the test. On average, the rifles jammed after 6 rounds. The most rounds fired without jamming were 14, 11, 10 in a row. The least was 0 (back to back). The first shooter to lead off the experiment was Al Sherman, Maryland State Trooper. The record of his effort: 5.0 sec: 2 orange, 1 blue / 6.0 sec: 2 orange, 1 blue / NT (jam at 3rd cartridge)/ 5.2 sec: 1 orange, 2 low / 5.0 sec: 1 orange, 2 blue. Sherman was able to fire 8 rounds before his rifle jammed. Of all the shooters, the fastest times were: 4.1 sec, 4.3 sec, 4.9 sec, 5.0 sec. The best accuracy was 3 orange in 5.2 seconds. The rifles were oiled and allowed to cool down between shooters. CBS reporter Dan Rather attended this experiment. During the investigation by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (1976197, the lead attorneys for the Committee, Robert Blakey and Gary Cornwell, were allowed to use WC-139 at an FBI firing range. The attorneys wanted to see how fast the bolt action could be operated. Blakey was able to fire two rounds in 1.5 seconds and Cornwell fired two rounds in 1.2 seconds. This was an experiment to test a possible theory that Oswald in his excitement may have pointed and fired, as opposed to aimed and fired. Some critics of the Warren Commission had claimed it was impossible to fire a Carcano rifle in less than 2.3 seconds. Both the CBS and HSCA tests proved conclusively that the claim was not accurate.[68]
Oswald was a very good shot. Much better than the average person most of whom has never fired a rifle. Oswald was trained by the USMC which has the absolute best basic rifle marksmanship training program in the nation. Oswald was rated a sharpshooter in basic training making him an average marine shooter. Contrary to claims only one Marine claimed he was a bad shot and that man ( named Delgado ) was discredited because he was not even in the same platoon as OSwald and therefore probably had no contact with him. That is the only evidence of Oswald's ability and proves he was not a poor marksman. The CBS and HSCA did not show that any such claims were not accurate. You need to provide source and references for such claims. The Carcano could indeed be cycled and fired in less than a second. The shooting has been recreated many times over and it has never been proven impossible or even difficult for a trained marksman which Oswald qualified as.
The hell he was. Oswald barely scored Sharpshooter in basic. That's the bottom end of average and that's with daily training. When he requalified later he didn't even score THAT high. In fact he barely scored marksman...the lowest rating. No one has ever said it was 'impossible". But the above tests showed how difficult those shots were for trained marksmen...no one less a poor one who had no recent training or practice But here we had numerous actual experts...real experts...NOT making those shots...time and again. But what they DID do was demonstrate how prone to jamming that piece of garbage gun was.
He was in fact a good shot. Once again study this slowly. He was a MArine and they do have the absolute best basic rifle marksmanship training program. That alone makes him better than most. In fact you admit he scored sharpshooter which he did making him average among marines. We also have numerous experts and non experts showing how it was within his range of ability so the point is moot
Their training program is little different (at least then) than the Army. Did you serve? I did. I scored one point under Expert...and I'm not that great a shot. All of the "good shooters" scored well into the Expert range. Oswald BARELY scored in the Sharpshooter category. BARELY. That's the low end of everage Badges are as follows Expert Sharpshooter Marksman It was the same in the Marines as it was in the Army. Oh and they weren't using bolt action rifles or scopes. And here we had numerous actual experts NOT being able to make those shots...time and again.And they weren't shooting at the President of the United States. And here we had that gun JAMMING time and again as well. Now go away troll
Yes I did and sharpshooter is sharpshooter and he did more than barely make it his score proves he was in the median. We have experts proving over and over again that it could be done and without misfires. Yes sometimes they had misfires and jams sometimes they did not which means they FAILED TO disprove anything and only proved it was easily within the range of his ability. You still ignore that the marines do and DID HAVE the absolute best basic rifle marksmanship training program around. He graduated from that program and was average. Even if he had been below average it would have made him better than many people. Sorry the evid nce does not support your conclusion in fact it contradicts your conclusion and I am remaining here throwing those facts and evidence in your face. Deal with it and grow up boy.
His SCORE...was about two points above Marksman...and if you served in either the Army or the Marines you know that's (*)(*)(*)(*) poor. You're as dishonest as you are vacuously verbose. We have experts proving over and over again that it could be done and without misfires. What you had was actual experts NOT managing to make those shots and having MANY misfires. That was real Experts. And Marine rifle training at least at that time and in the late 70s when I was in, was very little different from Army rifle training. Be gone troll
Marine rifle marksmanship training and army marksmanship training were not similar then and never have been . One more time this is an absolute fact that the marines have and HAD the best basic rifle marksmanship training program period. Even a below average marine was a good shot. Oswald scored sharpshooter making him better than the worst marine. Now chicken hawks like you who never served except at McDonald's can keep ignoring he facts but they proved you wrong time and again. I stated facts and wanna be kids like you need to stop getting spanked every time you post and go back to playing halo which is as close as you will ever get to the military The experts did not prove anything except that it was within the range of Oswald's ability they weapon did not misire more than half the time which proves it was not certain to do so. I always be here presentiing facts proving you wrong. Grow up troll
Marine rifle marksmanship training and army marksmanship training were not similar then and never have been . Prove it Oswald scored sharpshooter making him better than the worst marine. Not exactly a glowing endorsement "Chicken Hawk"?You're as wrong about me as you are about everything else. I did indeed serve...but it speaks volumes that you feel the need to resort to name calling The experts did not prove anything except that it was within the range of Oswald's ability they weapon did not misire more than half the time which proves it was not certain to do so. Those EXPERTS...failed to recreate these shots about half the time...and they weren't shooting at the POTUS It's hilarious that you tout the fact that the weapon misfired nearly half the time an think that supports your case.
Oswald’s Marine Rifle Marksmanship Scores In the late 1950s, US Marines were categorised at three levels of shooting ability, according to the scores they achieved at a standardised test of their accuracy: 1.Expert: a score of 220 to 250. 2.Sharpshooter: 210 to 219. 3.Marksman: 190 to 209. According to his Marine score card (Commission Exhibit 239), Oswald was tested twice: 1.In December 1956, after “a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.302), Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’. 2.In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’. Colonel Allison Folsom interpreted the results for the Warren Commission: The Marine Corps consider that any reasonable application of the instructions given to Marines should permit them to become qualified at least as a marksman. To become qualified as a sharpshooter, the Marine Corps is of the opinion that most Marines with a reasonable amount of adaptability to weapons firing can become so qualified. Consequently, a low marksman qualification indicates a rather poor “shot” and a sharpshooter qualification indicates a fairly good “shot”. (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.19, pp.17f) Folsom agreed with his (not her) questioner that Oswald “was not a particularly outstanding shot” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.8, p.311). So Marksman...is a relatively poor shot. And Oswald scored slightly better than that. After three weeks of rifle training...Oswald hit 212 out of 250...at non-moving paper targets Before he left the Marines...he only scored marksman. A relatively poor shot
A relatively good shot compared to most of the general population. Once again absolute fact marine rifle training was longer and more intensive than any other rifle training even in the fifties which any veteran knows. In addition Even the worst marine marksman is superior to the average person. Those facts simply destroy your premise. The experts succeeded in proving it was within his ability. No one can recreate another's shots perfectly which your premise requires. They also proved the rifle will jam LERSS than half the time making it feasible to fire 3 shots from the carcano without a jam or misfire. Once again facts and evidence destroy you
A relatively good shot compared to most of the general population. That means absolutely nothing. He was probably a better shot than your average kitten as well....so? Once again absolute fact marine rifle training was longer and more intensive than any other rifle training even in the fifties which any veteran knows. Prove it The experts succeeded in proving it was within his ability. They proved that it was SOMETIMES within THEIR ability...and sometimes not...and they were actual expert shots...and they were NOT shooting at the POTUS They also proved the rifle will jam LERSS than half the time making it feasible to fire 3 shots from the carcano without a jam or misfire. Less than half the time? That means that out of three shots there was likely to be a jam. The fact that this piece of garbage jammed that often says that it likely WASN'T the murder weapon...or at the very most...was one of several.
He was a good shot and the target was not a difficult one to hit. Kittens cannot shoot guns people can especially marines. It is long proven that Marine basic rifle marksmanship training it the best period. Had you served anywhere but mcdonalds you would know this and it is not arguable. This proves he was able to do it you have failed to prove otherwise, The fact that it jammed less than half the time proves nothing. There is no evidence of any sort of another weapon it is however proven that Oswalds rifle was fired.
It is long proven that Marine basic rifle marksmanship training it the best period I've asked for a link proving this before and been ignored. prove it or stop giving opinion claiming to be fact. And yes Matilda...I served. 25th Inf Div Are you always wrong? Oh and The fact that it jammed less than half the time proves nothing. Previously you claimed that it proved that Oswald could have made those shots since it didn't always jam...or some such stupidity.
You never served so stop insulting those who did youngster. It is fact and proven fact as all veterans know that marines have the best basic marksmanship training in the nation. What is stated is fact he did shoot Kennedy and none of what you have posted disputes that proven fact. He had the ability and that is the end. The rifle jammed less than half the time. Your claim that it proves something is false. - - - Updated - - - He always is
It is fact and proven fact as all veterans know that marines have the best basic marksmanship training in the nation. Then prove it. This is only the THIRD time you have been challenged on this And bragging about a rifle that ONLY jams less than half the time? Nice rifle... You really know your guns huh?
Well more than you yes and I did not brag. It has been proven and thatnisnthat you make again based on facts and evidence.
THIS is what you said They also proved the rifle will jam LERSS than half the time making it feasible to fire 3 shots from the carcano without a jam or misfire. No one who knows anything about guns would say that a gun that jams only a little less than half the time "proves" anything other than that the rifle is a piece of (*)(*)(*)(*). And what you didn't do was provide a link to support your claims that Marine marksmanship training in the 50s was any better than Army marksmanship training.
A piece is (*)(*)(*)(*) rifle is still a rifle. Just because it was a cheap piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) does not make it less ofna deadly weapon capable of doing what Oswald did with it. I have never denied it was cheap and a jjnky weapon the point is saying it was a cheap piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) is does not disprove is was used to kill Kennedy. It was used to kill Kennedy period which the evidence proves. We are done with the marksmanship argument becusee you lied and claimed to be a veteran . any veteran knows you are wrong and it is S proven as the earth being round isnleocen so stop shaming real veterans with your lies.
Just because it was a cheap piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) does not make it less ofna deadly weapon capable of doing what Oswald did with it. It makes it a hell of a lot less likely We are done with the marksmanship argument becusee you lied and claimed to be a veteran 25th Inf Div 65th Engineers out of Schofield Barracks HI (76-79). Like everything else you proclaim...you have zero evidence to dispute that. What you really mean is that we're done with the marksmanship evidence because yo made a claim about Marine rifle training that you can't substantiate.
It is substantiated and proven chicken hawks just lie to deny it. Earlier you stated it proves at least another rifle now you.move the goal posts. It proves nothing at all since the physical evidence proves that oswalds rifle shot Kennedy and connally. No evidence of another shooter or rifle exists.
It is substantiated and proven chicken hawks just lie to deny it. So not only are you wrong about my service (as you are wrong about everything) but you now resort to name calling. Earlier you stated it proves at least another rifle now you.move the goal posts. I did not. I said it was highly unlikely that THAT rifle could have made the shots because as we both know...it was a piece of garbage that was prone to jamming almost every other shot. If you think I said something other than that...post it And you still have not given us proof that marine rifle training was better than Army rifle training. Facts junior. }Provide some for a change
I ddlid provide them and you are inpanic denial. Now stop lying. You also lack a grasp.of mathematics. There is no evidence it would jam every other shot. You also ignore the.physical evidence it was used and no other evidence suggests another weapon was used.
