Refrigerant prices will increase 300% - %500 under carbon tax

So whats this going to do to the price of food and beverages?

Lets see who uses refrigerators, butchers, supermarkets, fish chips, fruit shops, bottle shops etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.................

Slowly but surely we will end up citizens of a third world country!

Whats the point of having all these riches and resources when the people of the country are reduced to finanacial slavery?

HUNGER GAMES there headed our way.

Its really sad that some people cannot see the writting on the wall.

They actually have to start suffering before it will click.

 

These guys know that their product is on the way out because of cheaper and environmentally friendly options emerging sooner rather than later. It's probably aimed at making as much money as possible before everyone converts their systems to these cheaper and environmentally friendly alternatives. So i dont think it is as a consequence of carbon pricing. I reckon these guys know something and are simply causing their own demise sooner rather than later to ensure a quick buck. I could see these prices dropping back to appropriate carbon pricing costs when demand weakens.

 

I'ld like to hear your thoughts on this very same subject when the day comes when you can't put bread and milk on the table.

Lets hope its latter than sooner.

And no they didn't rise their prices, the price rises are from the carbon tax equivalent.

Remember the global warming equivalent aplied to other grenhouse gases compared to CO2.

See for your self - go to the calculator at the bottom of the page.
http://www.environment.gov.au/cleanenergyfuture/carbon-price/index.html

 

The link below gives a clear insight into refrigerative gas costs as a consequence of carbon pricing. The table insert provided simply puts it into perspective IMO. Dumb, why is it that you oppose all the information provided by the government that is independently costed by experts but assert issues without any analysis? I mean it is okay to hate the carbon price and all it stands for from your perspective, including your bankers theory etc, but drawing on claims without analysis is shallow, don't you think?

http://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/synthentic-greenhouse-gases-price-impacts/

 

Do you believe everything your told by the experts?

$10 a week increase cost due to the carbon tax?

Its going to be way more than that dude, thats why the tax free threshold went up so much.

Remember the carbon tax increases 2.5% ABOVE inflation every year for the first three years.

By the time we get to 2050 it will be close to $400 per tonne??!! that is of course treasury's prediction, but it wont be in their hands after the first three years it will be in the bankers.

The government is saying that electricity will only increase by 10% what they fail to tell you is the rest of the statement which is in the first three years.

Unfortunately for them its already increased 10% in the first month due to the carbon tax.

So you see the forecasts are not always on the ball, remember computer modelling is only as good as the information that gets fed into it.


What about the politicians?

Are you really that gullible and naive or are you peddling policy?

 

Dumb,
you lost it completely with your carbon tax witchhunt, sorry mate but I cannot take you serious anymore....

 

Well cats maybe your the sort of person that has to feel the pinch before you believe maybe?

But what do you expect those small and big businesses to do with a 300% - 500% rise on refrigerants?

Do you want them to absorb the cost?

Or should they pass it on to the consumer?

This is how it works

Now what will it be in 2050? 1300 x $120/tonne???

I forgot to mention you can thank the UN and the IPCC for all these carbon equivalents.


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Dumb, if the carbon price equates to $9.90 per week with a $23 a tonne cost, you are only looking at a minuscule amount with $25 a tonne price, which would be around 25cents. As for the increase in $'s per tonne by 2050, everyone would have moved to significant renewable energy savings by then.This is the whole plan. Companies will be making money saving and selling credits. Costs for goods will apparently decrease significantly as a consequence from what ive seen, due to low costs of renewable energy. Your right it will be big business and these guys are going to want to be in on it. All the alternate options you point out are what companies will utilise and establish early to ensure their stake in the market. It is a win win situation for everyone including the consumer and establish a platform for innovating and utilising renewable energy early, not alone meeting environmental targets. This is the reason Australia really had to move relatively early, especially earlier than china and the USA who will obviously dominate the market still even if they are late starters.

 

Thats my whole point TV it doesn't equate to $10 a week at all its actually much much more, for instance did you now about the refrigerants? how many more of these types of big hits are there that we haven't ben told about?

Refrigeration is going to cost 4 or 5 times as much as it did previously,

1. car?
2. house? business
3. food and beverages?

Remember the carbon tax (CT) increases 2.5% above inflation i.e. if inflation is 3% for that year then CT increase will be 5.5%.

I have never known these pigs to kill of a market that returned plenty of real money, and its all going to be real money from the tax payers of all nations, but hey lets not argue about this lets wait and see.

When do you think green energy will become available or replace our current system, i say never!

Yeah some companies will make money from carbon credits but the main winners are going to be the ones farming/selling the carbon credits.

Look at what is happening in europe
http://www.corporateeurope.org/news/eu-ets-failing-third-attempt

Cost of all goods will apparently decrease? Where is this information coming from? care to recite articles?

To supply a major city with green energy will cost more than our current system.

You seem to be forgetting that when fossil fuels were discovered they were heralded as cheap energy for everyone, thats everyone.................

Well the pigs have caught onto this and want to change this around through lies about AGW and scams like the carbon tax.

Thats the whole point of my arguement about a crabon tax ETS the market will become the dominant factor and pollution will not even be talked about or the reduction of, cause this market needs pollution for its suvival.

We will not be getting green energy anytime soon, no green energy source can supply a major city with todays green energy technology.

Green energy needs development which means more money has to be thrown at it.

Dont hold your breath for green energy any time soon.

 

Now can you imagine how much money needs to be pumped into green energy?

 

More than $10 a week when you consider the snowball effect of all goods and services that use energy and quite frankly i cant think of one that doesn't use energy.

Can you?

 

Renewable energy will increase dramatically in the next few years and will see a huge change in the graph you have posted. Again, this is the whole aim of a carbon price.

In terms of the decrease, I'll have to find it and post it, but it had to do with greater effieciency in energy, which makes sense doesn't it?

 

Indeed. I think some folks have missed the point of the pricing of carbon. In policy terms it's "nudging" and using economics to bring about societal behavioural change works. The way the Tories are banging on about it you'd think it was a tax on breathing...........oh wait a minute, it's a tax so we CAN breathe....

 

This doesn't make much sense.. Its so easy to clean and recycle all these refrigerant gases.

 

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In my opinion its a great way to rip us of.

 

All those refrigerants can be recycled... The been SOP for 20 years.

 

The conservatives seem to be good at false dichotomies.

 

I think Marg has a point.

 

No.. there is nothing false about it.. High speed pressurized extraction and distillation cleans all the refrigerant gases.. Its a huge money saver.. They are stored or sold..CFC Refimax was sold to Airgas 2-3 years ago.. They must have 5-6 locations and do work all over the world.

 

Points have been noted and found wanting.

The consumers are going to get taxed through the nose on energy use, the suppliers will be caught between a rock and a hard place and our economy is going to go down the drain.

The carbon tax is the long way and thats if it works which i doubt, cause once the farming of carbon credits gets established the health of thr market will be more important than the reduction of pollution after all this market needs pollution to exist.

Legislation at grass roots level is the best way to have an immdediate impact on our emissions.

Athropogenic Global warming is a bankers lie and the carbon tax ETS is a bankers scam.

Who's pushing for carbon pricing? the UN the IPCC!

Who established and ownes these corporations?

Banks and bankers.

There looking forward to the $2 trillion dollar market per annum created of the backs of the tax payers all over the world.

 

Battleships, submarines, schools, hospitals, hotels.. who doesn't use chillers and refrigerant gases?

 

Sorry man. but that is the actual cost of the product. You are in favor of a subsidy paid for by the US government. Of course if you don't believe in MM climate change, than I can see why you wouldn't see it this way.

I too was a MMCC skeptic, based on all the variations, and possible unknown factors could be at work in our entire climate. I mean we just figured out how lightning worked a few years ago ffs.

Here is what changed my mind. Funded by the Koch brothers, well known and respected skeptic Muleller, whose whole study is available to the public for anyone to debunk.

http://berkeleyearth.org/

 

I dont believe in anthropogenic global warming.

The bankers are responsible for giving us global cooling (1970's) that didn't work then they tried global warming (1990's) that didn't work now they call it climate change.

Yes they want to tax the air that we breath through prices on energy, its bad enough they have enslaved us economically all around the globe, now they want a new market a $2 trillion dollar market per annum to play their games.

But climate change has been around for millions of years otherwise we would still be a molten rock of lava?

Today we have some of the coldest temperatures the earth has seen and we have the lowest concentration of CO2 in our history.

Its only part of the natural cycle of the Earth that temperature and Co2 concentrations should rise.

 

Dumb, you are so caught up in your conspiracy theories that you can't drag yourself out. That's the only reality I can see.