Refugees and the European strategic error

Assad lives in a bubble in Damascus..

Read this.

http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/472690-syria-story-conflict.html

 

Totally agree; they use this word to make us unable to say we want to send them back to their countries and to make us think we don't have the right to do that... Those we use this word bases their opinions one lies

 

No I can't be bothered to read any more of your posts because you are so anti-Assad all you're doing is trawling the internet and submitting all the anti-Assad reports you can find. I don't know what your agenda is - all I know is that you've got one! And not that I want this to look like trolling, but you never did tell me what the difference is between barrel bombs and high explosive ordnance is, which question I put to you about a week ago.

 

And I read on the BBC news site a few minutes ago that 'Germany is expecting a further 300,000 more migrants'. It's almost as if Germany is undergoing some kind of national nervous breakdown because it won't stop there; now they've been given the green light they'll carry on coming.

 

Yes, they made a very dangerous thing by opening their borders... Then, they make us share their bad choice by wanting to put the refugees they're welcoming in the whole EU, thanks to quotas. Rest of Europe didn't say to the migrants that they where free to come here... We didn't have to assume their stupid choice and being forced to take the migrants they welcomed. This problem may end to destroy EU

 

Refugees are not the problem. French colonial history, racism and history of violence is the primary cause for terrorism in France
You should know that being French.

We have an obligation to help refugees and using quotas to spread them out is only fair.
You might want to read up on this; http://www.unhcr.org/1951-refugee-convention.html

 

So we have to obey to people of color because we're whites and that our race have done bad things in the past, if I follow you?... This is completly illogical - quite all the people have done bad things and their decents shouldn't be punish because of that, or we end by made vendetta after vendetta to jusitfy agressives behaviors. This is really the last way to lead to a more peaceful situation.
Then, nowadays, there's no more colonization (at least from Europe) so why is it the problem who lead to the attacks? The problem is the people who think that some people have to pay for what their ancestors did and use that to justify violents acts - you can justify all the kind of horrible theries with this way to reason. People who wanted to justify slavery used that, people who wanted to jusitfy nazism did the same: they make people think that a group of person could be freely badely treated for the common good because one assumed they where bad and didn't deserve any compassion. This kind of theory is really dangerous.

This is why I was speaking about the mean of the word "refugee". Yes we have to welcome the refugees, but we don't have to welcome migrants, and these people who come from poor countries who aren't in war are economic migrants, no refugees. So that most of these people who enter illegelly in Europe nowdays are migrants, only few of them are really refugees flying a war-zone and we focus one these exceptions to force Europe to accept the whole migrants mass. We're free to don't welcome them, we can choice to welcome economic migrants or no, they aren't refugees. Medias and politicians should use the right word.

 

If there is no usa sponsored path, what the heck does it matter what assad is up to
As far as i can tell, our only interest is in combating isis... Mostly through bombing because there seem to be no real friends there.

Btw, imo there was lots of media and political noise about assad leading up to the revolution.
The syrian rebels certainly had reason to be encouraged to start their revolution in the expectation that our support would be coming their way

 

Yes, it's in melt-down even as we speak. And yet it all seemed such a good idea at the time? Although some of us didn't think so!

 

As per usual the West totally mis-read the situation. Thank god we didn't arm the jihadists, as our PM Cameron wanted to!

 

The trick is knowing who are refugees and who er, aren't refugees?

 

I agreed; illegals migrants have made so much for the europhobics in a very short time; for that, we should not be ungrateful and thanks them

 

You have already been given the right place to check these things.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics
We live in the information age... Vetting people is not hard. No one is granted asylum unless they qualify for it.
Ignorance is bliss as you show every day Cerb.

 

No one is welcoming economic migrants or forcing others too.
I see you have lots of excuses and yet avoid the fact that France is mostly to blame for its problems with Muslims. It is your own mess and has nothing to do with the EU or Germany. You had the colonies. You invited them to live in France. You had brutal repressive colonial empires and you had fascists killing migrants in the streets.

Given the millions of refugees that have come the last couple of years you rabid right wingers have almost nothing to show for your xenophobic angst.
No one is welcoming migrants unless they have immigration policies that do so... Economic migrants are being rejected and sent back.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics

 

I don't think Assad is a bad man.I think Hillary is worse than Assad.
Neocons been trying to demonize him,but that's not what I see.
I see someone needs to shoot them ISIS head loppers in the head,and I don't think Assad would mind doing that.
Oh,Putin will do it too? Good for him.
Unless Iran takes hostages,leave them people alone as well.
However if they do,next time there will be a price,a quite heavy one.

 

Good try, G_M but you know I'm not ignorant! In fact you wish I were on your side doncha? Vetting people is impossible unless there is some background information on them, and you know as well as I do that they chuck away their ID documentation on the way to the land of milk and honey - if they ever had any documentation in the first place, which I doubt. Let's face it - it's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing unholy mess.

 

You are ignorant as you show with every post you write.
It not impossible... And no one who cannot be determined a refugee is being let in.
Here... Cure your ignorance;
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affair...lum/identification-of-applicants/index_en.htm

 

What about terrorism in Germany?

Is that from Germany colonialism of the Polish?

Wait, but it's Muslims committing terrorism in Germany, rather than the Polish.

Germany didn't colonize Muslim nations.

Nice try though. LOL

 

"◾Specific safeguards include a requirement to check all available criminal records databases first and limiting searches only to the most serious crimes, such as murder and terrorism."

And how do the jobsworths do all that when they don't have the faintest idea who they are nor where they're from? I don't mind you calling 'ignorant' but I take strong exception to be considered a gullible fool. Don't bother to reply because you know there's no way it can be done, as well as I do! Which of course makes that European Commission publication a complete waste of the earth's resources it was printed on.

 

What about it? That some people will be radicalised regardless can come as no surprise. Just as left wingers and right wingers are.
Are you arguing that a brutal a colonial history combined with generations of disaffected minorities does not make radicalisation easier?

Nice try though... I am sure you can find some thread to go cry about your unhappy childhood and being bullied because you were a poor Polak.
You're such a whiner.

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For the love of God man... Your ignorance cannot be cured...
It's beautiful though that you admit that you don't care... Not that we didn't know that already.

 

So what have I got wrong then? And although the brunt of the (*)(*)(*)(*)-storm to come won't affect me here, I do care.

 

Everything. If you were really interested in knowing how these things are done you can find the information. The EU and our governments are quite transparent and do put out a lot of information for those interested.
But we both know you are not interested in that.... You just want to sit behind your screen crying about the end times and the bad foreigners.

This (*)(*)(*)(*)storm all you rabid right wingers always talk about... What is the timetable on it? One year? 10 years?
We both know you will keep moving the posts... Nothing is happening and nothing will happen... But you will come back and claim that "we just have to wait for the next generation". There is no curing your kind of ignorance. We both know it.... I can keep pointing you to the information you cry about and you will keep coming back with another stupid post about the end.

You must be 70+

 

So, how come Polish aren't terrorists?

Poland suffered much worse than Muslims did under Nazi, and Soviet occupation.

 

They aren't? Are you claiming that Poland never had either right wing or left wing terrorism?

We know that you suffered dear boy. You can barely write a post without bringing up Polish or your own personal suffering. Whining is what you do best isn't it?

 

Polish are virtually devoid of terrorism, unlike your Muslim friends.