Regulating inflation.

You just think there is a huge difference because you've bought into the notion (presented by only the media, for the most part) that the dividing line in partisan politics between two parties is some huge, insurmountable gap. If you plot their political views on a political compass, most of the Federally elected politicians would be somewhere near the middle and above the authoritarian line. There would only be a few outliers.

 

You should be in politics...on Trump's team...and go before the nation and tell workers 'the price of their labor' is going up...up...up...

 

Because when push comes to shove most Americans truly want the same things...no matter their political stripes...

 

Free stuff at someone else's expense?

 

Americans won't admit this but it's true. We are for the most part self-serving. We demand a huge government then refuse to pay the taxation to fund the government. $20 trillion in debt proves how self-serving we are...

 

Not all Americans demand a huge government.

 

I'm sure there are a few who don't but no sense in talking about the few...how about the 100 million Americans who don't pay federal taxes?

 

Speak for yourself. I'm not part of that "we".

 

If you live in the USA, are a citizen, then you are 'we'...

 

I am an individual. I am not owned by the nation nor rightly ruled by those who claim to rule what they declare to be the nation. I am not the government. Maybe you are?

 

anyone who does not want to make federal debt illegal is part of the problem

 

fair is fair; since liberals will not make debt illegal why not assign say 75% of it to them?

 

@BleedingHeadKen ...I'm LMFAO at this quote.

You're part of the problem, says the collectivist authoritarian...

 

Republicans since Jefferson have introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments since Jefferson's first.

 

Ok, thanks for that irrelevant commentary.

You've accused a person who believes all government is the problem, and I agree. Collectivist authoritarians, be it Republicans or Democrats, ARE the problem.

We don't want to make the Federal debt illegal, we want to abolish all Federal spending as well as the apparatus that steals the wealth of otherwise peaceful citizens to spend it.

Until you want to work towards that goal, you're the problem not BHK.

 

He reminds me of me all those years ago on IH when I began to engage you, Bronk and Mystery. It was enlightening.

 

I would make the entire Federal government illegal.

 

So you're saying that although you claim to be a citizen of the US, that how the US goes you just go your own way? If you pay taxes then you are part of the 'we'. If you vote then you are part of the 'we'. It's not about 'control' but about citizenship and ownership of the nation you choose to live. Things like the bombing of Pearl Harbor, or the destruction of the World Trade Center, or the people killed and injured in hurricanes and tornadoes, all the good and the bad of the US...does not belong to you...just to others? Maybe when we discuss what 'we' can do about an issue in the USA, the real question is what can 'we', excluding BleedingHeadKen, do about a particular issue? And, like it or not, you are bound by the Constitution and the laws of the land...

 

The sole reason you will never find solutions or happiness to anything USA is because you are incapable of leaving politics out of the discussion. When you label things, like 'liberals', this is quite telling about you but is meaningless to me...

 

Am I obligated to go the "US's way". By US, do you mean the government? I don't see the two as the same thing.

Statists are hilarious. If someone checks a box that the government graciously allows them to check, then they buy into the system such as it is. If they refuse to check the box, then they are part of the system even though they don't buy into it.

Where do you get the idea that you have the right to interfere with the peaceful exercise of the right to life, liberty and property by other people? By "voting" you claim that right, according to your logic.

Things like embargoes of foreign countries and political interference. None of what you describe happens in a vacuum any more than a thief can claim he is unfairly attacked after breaking into someone's home, killing their animals and making off with their property.

Responsibility falls upon those who act. Perhaps you can explain how responsibility mystically transfers if two humans are within certain lines on a map.

Sure, I don't claim the right to rule over others or empower others to do that.

And there it is. The magic phrasing of a statist. By what rightful or legitimate power am I bound to these things and how did it obtain it's legitimacy? Logic, please. Not a bunch of patriotic sophistry.

 

Since you refuse to understand and accept the Constitution and laws and taxation as criteria for citizenship and/or business in the USA, including foreign visitations, that you cannot imagine that as a citizen you are part of the greater population than just yourself, and, that you feel a need to insult, to label, does not merit a further response from me...

 

actually libertarians might do that but not a liberal like you. I hope you understand this point?

 

The Constitution is not a criteria for citizenship. If you believe that, then you believe that your government owns you.

I challenge your thinking and you consider that an insult. Do you come to this forum hoping for an echo chamber? If so, I recommend that you pick less controversial topics. You don't have to engage me, but I'll sure as hell engage you every time I think you are wrong.

 

What makes you think that I'm a liberal? Lay it out, or I'll just consider that whiney ad hominem on your part because you have no other answer to my challenges.

 

you are rightfully bound to the state by the state's guns and logic. Without the state we could not defend ourselves from other states and we'd all be dead. 1+1=2