Religious discussion

Measuring diversification isn't that easy. Plus, I've pointed out that there was increasing disunity when there wasn't any significant diversification.

You think you found a correlation. I don't believe you did. And, a corelation is not proof - it can not be more than an indication of one place to look.

I haven't "touted' immigration here. I'm just not convinced it has anything to do with "disunity".

Let's remember that we are a nation of immigrants - immigrants brought energy and good ideas. We've had the advantage of that.

 

Well, you said, "Things get personal and heated real quick when you question and criticize their views."

I attempted to agree with that, as I haven't seen the approach of criticizing religious beliefs on this board as having resulted in anything positive.

 

True.

Our laws do have to be justified. But, the beliefs of the populattion don't have to be justified.

I think this is one of the areas of collision.

 

Did you notice that you claim you haven't touted immigration here. (Have you done so elsewhere?)

And in the very next sentence, you tout immigration!

 

I didn't say anything about how much more or less immigration we need.

I just pointed out that it has had value - that immigration has been a significant component in who we are as a nation.

 

And it has costs. Increased diversity leads to decreased social cohesion. As the white population shrinks, Democrats are exacerbating and leveraging this loss of social cohesion to gain political power.

For your consideration:

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/ethnic-diversity-and-social-cohesion/

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/s...ort-for-diversity-ucla-psychology-study-finds

I am sorry if this fails to conform to your confirmation bias, but the story is clear: Democrats push diversity to undermine society so they can fundamentally change the nation.

 

I think humans are easily scared by pretty much ANY change.

So, telling folks they are going to be a "minority" is one way to influence votes.

Part of that may come from our failure at equal treatment of our citizens. We KNOW how we treat minorities. It's not attractive!

I really don't believe much of anything will change toward the negative. Your choices, life style, etc. aren't going to change. We'll probably get better at the equality game. We'll probably have fewer elected officials attempting to deny democracy to mnorities. We may see the injustice of rule without representation in Washington DC as not being consistent with our stated objectives as a nation. We may have fewer cases of incidents like 5 cops shooting an unarmed black kid in the back 15 times and getting away with it.

At least I hope so.

 

Thanks for clarifying.

If you don't mind me asking, what would you consider a positive outcome?

 

Good for you. Not only will you benefit from the change you'll benefit from the experience itself.

 

I don't know about that. I chose to live in a lily-white exurb and love it. The neighbors are friendly and helpful. There is good civic engagement, people are polite. When I first moved here from a more diverse suburb, I was suspicious. I thought they were being nice in order to trick me somehow.

Leftists begrudge me my life-style. They want to change zoning laws so as to integrate my town. They want to make my county more "vibrant." I don't want "vibrant," I want peaceful and friendly.

 

Well that's why we have systems with independent third parties. Systems of arbitration.

 

Indeed I have, I've grown, in many ways.

 

Never had that problem, are you just talking to say Protestants, Evangelicals, baptists, Lutherans. Catholics, LDS people on the streets..please explain more

 

You see it with religion and politics. There are some things people would rather get angry and yell about than change their minds about

 

Who are these "leftists" you speak of? What would zoning laws do to change your town, exactly?

 

Religion is dogmatic. It sets out rules which need to be obeyed, and then insists that others obey those arbitary rules too.
If you're gay you would get really angry and start yelling if they tell you that you are sinning for having a loving relationship.
Women may object after having eight or ten children because they can't use contraception.
Religions all teach different things so of course people become adversarial. My god is better than your god, right? Right.

 

Try becoming Jewish..


Besides that how many whites go to black churches? I used to go a bit in South Carolina and met Radio.

We where also United after 9/11 you couldn't find an American flag to buy, to bad the do nothing Congress of the Democrats, screwed it up

 

Not really any belief set in particular, just some people. People get mad when you try discuss politics.

 

Yeah, I think that's part of it

 

yes I get that they're dogmatic and people think that everyone should be of the same religion but the question is why.

 

Blame martin Luther for solar fide and splitting the church the second time


He was a catholic priest who seen how Catholics where trying to buy there way into heaven


Plus he married a nun..

Politics yes, I had numerous instances back in during Bush jr years , so I never talk about it in real life anymore.

I had people take down my funny newspaper poltical cartoons in my maintenance room

But religion, when it comes to all the denominations of christianity, I never had a problem, I never had a problem talking to Jewish people, or muslims in America.

 

Its only in christianity the eastern orthodox split the church and then Martin Luther.



Eastern Orthodox Church - Wikipedia
The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially the Orthodox Catholic Church, is the second-largest Christian church, with approximately 260 million baptised members. It operates as a communion of autocephalous churches, each governed by its bishops in local synods. Roughly half of Eastern Orthodox Christians live in Russia.

Origin: 1st century; Holy Land, Roman Empire

Founder: Jesus Christ, according to Holy Tradition

Polity: Episcopal

Language: Koine Greek, Church Slavonic, Latin and others

 

I think people react like that when their own positions are not well reasoned, yet they have some kind of emotional attachment to those positions. They have some personal, emotional need for those beliefs, but can't very well defend them when challenged and find themselves doubting said beliefs when others present reasoned arguments against it. This would account for those who are defensive, at least. I suppose it is similar for those who go on the offensive and want to impose their beliefs on others, seeking affirmation of their beliefs in the process. Even then, it would seem to stem, ultimately, from a personal need to defend an unreasonable belief system.

 

Christianity has never been unified, but many have sought to try and unify it. Much blood has been spilled in the process.

 

Read about it here:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/virginia-house-zoning-environment/