I don't know if you know the history of this country, but the government isn't going to let this happen all. The last time white men of the south wanted to separate, a full blown civil war ensued. The last time Blacks wanted to separate, the were forced into integration and accompanied with armed guards. Other times, their towns got burned down. This empire is not like the others. There is unlimited amounts of money to print and a military force to keep it going in perpetuity. It really is better to try and go the politically correct route. If you disagree, then we have to agree that we disagree.
From the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History, which Digital History says they get a large amount of information from: "Students often ask: How do historians know what happened in the past? How do they know what Frederick Douglass said about slavery, what Abigail Adams thought about American independence, or what happened at Sutters mill? As scholars and teachers, we know that primary sources are the building blocks, the stuff of history. Official government documents, political speeches, wills, newspapers, diaries, and letters are just a few of the sources we can draw upon to reconstruct an historical era or an individual life. We can also turn to paintings, political cartoons, and in later decades, photographs and film footage. Borrowing techniques from other disciplines such as archaeology and anthropology, historians can reconstruct the material world of seventeenth-century Jamestown colonists and the family structures of eighteenth-century enslaved men and women of the Chesapeake. Using the technology of the twentieth century, we can computerize hundreds, even thousands, of tax records or probate court documents and discover patterns that reveal economic differences among residents of a nineteenth-century city or the steady growth of a consumer culture in the early Republic." http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-now/2004-12/welcome-second-issue-history-now
Govt documents and all of these official sources, in addition to archaeology, are the only way that we know anything about the past. Census records from Rome, Egypt, Greece, Sumeria, and every other society are where most of what we know comes from. If you doubt the quality of primary sources then you might as well assume that we know nothing that we don't personally witness. And by that logic, how do you know black slavery even existed?
good last question! exactly. Anyhow, in regards to your inquiry into the validity of primary sources there is no question they are to an extent. Im not questioning the so- called validity, im questioning the actual existence of this primary source used to determine the details regarding european voyages to West Afrika just prior to the Trans Atlantic so- called Trade. This will allow us a more accurate and "honest" account of what happened. iread your posts, or should istate, you quotes, sources etc. Not once have iseen a mention of the primary source. ihavent seen it because iknow what it is and it has never been mentioned once, which leads to my dismissal of these digital archives for this issue/thread.
Yes, we disagree. The USA is subject to the same forces and processes of history that brought down all previous democratic or republican polities in the past. Weaken the US economy relentlessly and it won't have the financing to support a huge govt. and military. All complex societies collapse. The process is inexorable. America has already gone past the tipping point toward collapse. Are you familiar with Dr. Joseph Tainter's tome The Collapse of Complex Societies? Here's one of his lectures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI
Since youtube is what you're looking for: http://youtu.be/IKjuu1ZOF-o That's Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Look him up if you think he's not qualified Also why don't you tell me your secret primary source
There should not have been reparations extracted from Germany through tax anyway, not in either of the world wars. As for slavery, it was a private act in the sense that the issue was the government not arresting the plantation owners/those responsible. The central government's intervention in the states requiring them to return runaway slaves was not, however. In the holocaust it was clearly the German government doing the killing, not others in society who they failed to apprehend. The idea that the state should thieve from everyone in society to provide reparations for their (*)(*)(*)(*) up, and the (*)(*)(*)(*) up of people long dead - is frankly completely insane. Sure, if you can demonstrate a clear path of inheritance from wealth received through slavery on the plantation back in the day, down through the generations to a decedent - there should be some return of stolen labor there by the estate, but that's a very difficult burden to meet. You need a descendent of the slave, and a descendent of the slave-holder who has received the inherited stolen funds. Like any other stolen property really. Perhaps your family stole a painting and passed it down through the generations. That painting should be returned.
Well actually, since "hispanic" is not a race, perhaps the notion that "hispanics" wouldn't go for it is a farce, especially since there are plenty of *gasp* black hispanics, eh? Regardless, I suspect that what you really mean is the brown skinned toned "hispanics" wouldn't go for it, and you are likely right. However, what they likely also wouldn't go for is all this right wing garbage about "white culture", and how EVIL brown skinned toned hispanics are ruining it just by daring to live in what right wingers hilariously call "white people's country". So if brown skinned toned "hispanics" do become the majority, it would be in the best interest of right wingers to shut their traps about this "white culture" garbage, and other drivel about how white people solely built this country, and how everyone else who is not white is nothing but a leech. I suspect many brown skinned toned "hispanics" are also not going to take kindly to a bunch of idiot right wingers telling them that they are inferior, and genetically predisposed to violence, due to having a darker skin tone. So yeah, they may very well be against the reparations movement, and what they also will likely be against is this social conservative "white culture" garbage that right wingers constantly spew on a daily basis.
Yes, you are right. However, do you agree that law abiding black people aren't responsible for the actions of black criminals?
It's not ok to hate people based on race. However, it's perfectly acceptable to hate people based on ideology.
Are you kidding me...... If you only believe primary sources, which according to you have all been dead for generations, how can you say slavery happened at all
Yeah it all comes down to culture and conditioning. For instance just because leftwingers CLAIM that the majority of Right of Center Whites are always howling about White superiority and so forth and badmouthing Brown Hispanics it was the LEFT not so very long ago that collectively CHANGED the observed skin tone of Zimmerman from very obviously brown to white just so that they could feel good about hating him along vital leftwing Politically Correct lines of BIGOTRY. Nice, eh? As a matter of fact leftwingers seem to believe that Hispanics are simply too damn stupid collectively speaking to pay attention and realize that mostly it's leftwingers who are bigots and who have utter contempt for Hispanics in the clumsy way that they attempt to manipulate their perspectives for ideologically based political reasons. Yet it's always Right of Center business owners who make it possible for those same Hispanics to claw their way up and out of poverty and enter the middle class socio-economic category . . . whereupon White leftwingers begin hating on them and try to tax them back into poverty for ever daring to try and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps by bypassing the leftwinger's 'Let's always keep the poor dependent and essentially impoverished by giving them everything, thus thwarting their innate competitive urges,' social/fiscal programs. Sweet!
I guess you missed the part of that two minute video where the professor handed a government record of the other guy's ancestor showing he'd been sold into slavery by other black Africans.
Funny that documents you can't even produce are fact, but the enormous amount of govt documents and sources from them I've given you don't mean a damn thing. Have you realized you're a racist bigot yet?
I'm disappointed in what this video had to offer. I expected him to at least provide a time table for this collapse, but he never does. He vaguely states near the end that he's pessimistic because he believes a collapse is inevitable, but his elusive answer to me means he's unsure (and even if would happen). There were also several major variables I don't think he considers, but I won't go in on that because it'll veer too far off topic. What your post suggests therefore, is that we wait for sthtf before groups can have their opportunity to go their separate ways. While a systemic collapse may be the only circumstance that will allow this, I don't see a problem in trying to use a political/legal maneuver in the meanwhile.
and here's me, thinking you may genuinely want to know the truth, sigh. its a good job inever told you isnt it.. you can continue living your lie and deluding yourself because after all, thats all that matters isnt it? to convince yourself of whatever predetermined scenario you create in your imagination. forget the reality, the reality that it was europeans that began the Trans Atlantic so- called Trade by TAKING CAPTIVES. We should instead re-name it the Trans Atlantic Raids, given the information freely available to anyone with internet access to the Primary Sources. Who cares about Primary sources anyway when you can create an imaginary world that absolves any guilt of the euro americans? Yes, ithink we'll keep this aspect of history hidden away so euro/americans can continue living "The Lie" Does that feel good?
yes, funny that. kind of solidifies the notion that the "govt' files" are indeed bogus, ignorant or bent on deception doesnt it? Hardly a revelation given americas sordid history and contemporary ill will.
Whoa, wait a second here. Your laughable argument is that the real racists are those EVIL "gated community liberals", eh? So hispanics as a group, who have always supported the Democrats, and still do to this day in large numbers, are so stupid as to not really know what they are voting for, and that those people that they are voting for, are in fact racists against them? And that they are so stupid, that they vote against the color blind conservatives who only want to help them? And all of this "white culture" and "white people built this country" garbage that right wingers constantly spew (behind the safety of their computer screens of course), is in fact a liberal conspiracy invented to fool brown skinned toned hispanics for "ideologically based political reasons"? Heh, good luck with that nonsense.
