Republican senators state they will vote against challenging electors

You are correct if what you were saying in regards to the House of Representatives votes being counted based on state delegation was referring to the contingent election, and not the process of certifying (or rejecting) electoral college votes.

 

Yea you may be right. It does not give the VEEP tomselect who the electors are.

 

You know, if I read your post before this election or before Trump, I would have said, duh of course you’re right, but after seeing what Trump and many of his minions are willing to do, I’m not so sure. Yeah many of the Republican senators say they wouldn’t support it, could be they know it won’t get through the House, so it doesn’t matter what they say. If they had a real chance to overturn this, I’m not so sure what any of them would do? I never had a lot of respect for politicians, but I no longer would even be slightly surprised by what any of them would be willing to do to hold onto power. Trump is pure evil, most of the rest of them just go whichever way the wind blows.

 

And your point is incorrect. In order for states votes to be thrown out, the entire house would have to vote and a simple majority would be needed to throw them out. How many democrat reps do you believe will defect to republican side? There is a zero % chance of your scenario happening. Congress will vote on 1/6/21, and biden will be your president on 1/20/21. You need to accept reality.

 

it's not possible for states to be thrown out. it would take half of democratic reps defecting and joining republicans in voting to throw them out. There is a zero % chance of that happening.

 

YOU NEED TO READ WHAT I AM SAYING.

The procedure allows states votes to be thrown out. I am not predicting that they will be thrown out.

If the number of electoral votes drop to less than 270 for both candidates, there will be a vote by state by the house. I am not predicting that this will happen.

The procedures allow for this possibility. I am not predicting or expecting this possibility.

 

fine. Then you acknowledge that there is absolutely zero chance this will happen. Thank you.

 

Since constitutional republics elect their leaders and representatives by a vote of the people, it is indeed a democracy.

 

Where did I " acknowledge that there is absolutely zero chance this will happen."?

 

The US is by definition not a democracy. The people elect their representatives, but not the president.

 

Sigh

then what is your point here? The only way electors can be thrown out is if the house democrats vote to do so. There is zero chance of that happening.

 

It's my understanding that constitutional republic and democracy are interchangeable. We're not a monarchy nor a dictatorship.

Democracy is simply the method used. Voting. Constitutional republic is the form of government.

 

We are not a direct democracy. We have some democratic aspects, but we are a republic not a democracy.

 

Agreed. It's easy to get confused on this subject. Our form of government isn't a (direct) democracy, though we have aspects of that as well; initiatives are an example. Democracy is the method used to select leaders, rather than bloodline or military coup.

It's a distinction barely worth mentioning, as we've been voting for 250 years.

 

You said:

Where did I say that?

 

Isn't that a scary thought, though? If the Republicans had managed to win back the House, I have o doubt they would now try to overturn the election by voting against the Biden electors in the House, and then elect the president by their state majority. It seems crazy how easy it would be to overthrow the will of the people and destroy our democracy.

I have posted this before, here is a TED talk by Van Jones, who has predicted all of these shenanigans in October:

https://www.ted.com/talks/van_jones...andidate_refuses_to_concede_after_an_election

 

Do you think there is a chance that half the democrat reps will vote to throw out states electors? It’s a simple yes or no.

 

Why would I answer yes or no? it has nothing to do with my point.

You made a claim about what I said. Was it true? Its a simple yes or no. I will save you the trouble. The answer is no.

 

It’s a simple question, and has everything to do with your “point”.

Of course it’s true. You know perfectly well that half of democrat reps are not going to vote to throw out electors. So you know, and acknowledge that there is no chance of the congress voting to give trump a 2nd term.

 

It has nothing to do with my point. It has never had anything to do with my point.

So now you are claiming I said: "that there is absolutely zero chance this will happen.."

Again. Where did I say that?

 

Do you agree that house Dems are not going to defect and vote with republicans to throw out electors? This is a yes or no question. If you dodge again, I will take that as your concession and gladly accept it.

 

Do you agree that you were wrong when you claimed I said "that there is absolutely zero chance this will happen.."?
This is a yes or no question. If you dodge again, I will take that as your concession and gladly accept it

 

I accept your concession. Thank you for again acknowledging that your scenario has no possibility of happening.

 

I accept your concession. Thank you for again acknowledging that what you claimed I said was not true..

 

I think if we were a true Democracy Hillary would be President right now. She won the popular vote. If we were a true democracy , the popular vote would be all that would be required to elect the President. There are reasons the founding fathers made America a republic. Trump is trying his damnedest to exploit any loophole real or more likely imagined he can.