Republicans hold Ohio. Blue Wave fizzles.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Until Democrats realize they need to win independents back, it's going to be a really long 2 years to 2020, and possibly from 2020-to-2024.

    Everyone talks about the October Surprise. It's the Dems who need something YUGELY negative to happen to Trump to get some kind of push. And they've tried everything negative, it just hasn't been big enough or interesting enough.

    And negative campaigning isn't that effective especially when you're not running on anything.

    I'm glad I left the Dems when I did.
     
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    Q: How can they beat a good economy?
    A: They can't!
     
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    If their ideas, while differing from the Republicans were noted to be just as if not more effective, they could actually make a contest of it. IE: The biggest pro to the Two-Party system was supposedly the idea that both paths are a viable alternative. If one is solidly a Republican or one is solidly a Democrat, that ultimately in the end is the proof that one or neither path has become that viable alternative(speaking as you know me to be, a pure independent.)

    If I had to however speak to our present reality, I'd rather Republican control than Democratic control. The Democrats still believe they have a right to the taxpayer dollars to enforce their social goods on the nation. So go Repubs.
     
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    Average Senate Seat loss going back to Taft is 4 seats. Trump looks like he might actually not only not lose seats, but may pick up a few.

    BASED ON THE OBAMA ERA, PRETTY PLAUSIBLE:

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    The press, of course, will ignore the Obama era history and pretend this is the first time an administration has ever acted this way.
     
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    Your 5 points are certainly plausible, but as a Democrat who finds NOTHING in agreement with Trump, I still don't want Democrats to initiate impeachment proceedings. I'd rather they try hard to find ways to work across the aisle with Trump, if he's willing, and do something to make America a better, less stressed country again. I'm tired of the constant political warfare. We all lose because of it.
     
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    The Blue wave is over. It looks more like a Red Wave and a rebirth of American pride against those trying to tear it apart.
     
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    I'm part of that blue wave, and for your information, we're NOT trying to tear America apart. We're trying to heal the rift.
     
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    You should probably alert the media and your party leaders because they are doing nothing but trying to increase the rift.
     
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    The Democrat leaders are not and they are the ones that are causing so many problems. Trump has called for unity time and time again and they never cease to attack him and thwart progress for the American people.

    There will be no blue wave. It's already purple and heading straight into red. Not kidding.
     
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    Remember when he tried to work with Schumer and Pelosi, they ran out to the media to leak the meeting. "We got everything we wanted from him."
     
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    He also brought Elijah Cummings into his office and offered to go his district and work with him personally to bring back jobs and send a good message to the people that they can all work together and they are all working for the people.... Cummings refused and stated: "No, no, Mr. President, that would be political suicide." IOW, party over country and over the people.

    What a scumbag that guy is.
     
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    They can't be trusted. They're want Trump dead.
     
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    You're describing Republicans, my friend.
     
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    I will remain part of the blue wave whether it fizzles or not. I'm personally an advocate of both parties re-learning to work together again for the benefit of the nation. I am tired of the squabbling and fighting and obstructionism--from BOTH SIDES. I say stop it, and remember the country needs unity, not bickering. Be a part of the solution, not the problem.
     
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    Let us hope unity is a part of our future, but as long as the current Democrats are in office, they will lead a resistance against the President and everything he wants to accomplish.

    The best way to fight that, is to vote Republican down the line and show these Democrats that the people will vote them out until they put the President and the country and Americans above all.
     
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    I'm an American, and I find almost nothing Trump advocates that I agree with. That doesn't make me an enemy of my country, or of Trump or of you. I have a different vision of America, and the same inherent right to work for my vision as you do yours. Trump & his supporters see America as a giant business, and favor laws that worship businesses & businessmen. But the purpose of business is to make a profit. The purpose of government is to provide services & make laws for the nation's people. The purpose of Business & Government are NOT the same. Therefore managing a government as if it were a business does not work well. It forces management to focus on the wrong issues, and disrupts the flow of action in ways that make government seem awkward & ineffective. One can look at the fiasco in Puerto Rico after the hurricane under Trump as an example. One can look at Trump's developing trade shenanigans as another. Or, consider Trump's record breaking deficit as a third. The list goes on. Conservatives see liberals as the enemy. We're not. We care just a much about America as you do, but we have a different perspective on what it stands for, and what makes it "great." We're not the bad guys. We simply have a different measure on what we value. Rather than money, we care more about people. Rather than riches, we care more about the environment, in which we all share. Rather than competition, which always creates more losers than winners, we care about cooperation, which creates winners only, and no losers. Rather than wealth, we care more about quality of life, and equal opportunity for everyone regardless of race, gender, religious beliefs, sexual preference, or even political persuasion. :)
     
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    newsflash!!! corporations/big biz have been running/controlling the country/government for 40+ years... there is no 'for the people, by the people' ;)
     
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    Yes, I agree, but there are new young Democratic candidates running for a wide variety of offices this year nationwide, who refuse to be associated with that corporate, big business, old guard system. And that gives me hope.
     
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    the problem is the old guard dems, ya know, hillary, schumer pelosi, waters, they shoot those noobs down and then shun them... the dem party is not what it used to be, they're a progressive mess of country killers...
     
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    Change is inherent & inescapable. The only constant in this universe is change. Even our political parties change--though it can be painfully slow sometimes. Yes, you are right about the old guard. But this year gives me greater hope than I've had in a very long time.
     
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    ,,,,,
    what needs to change, is how campaigns are run... i say, zero monetary contributions, none, nada, zilch (prevents "i owe ya" bs); then, for the sake of the country, all television channels must broadcast all of the debates/primaries, if any media plays any ad, they must place one for every other candidate, regardless of ability to pay; keep the 'electoral college' but do away with winner take all, redistrict everything by our congressional districts to thwart any gerrymandering bs; mandate that every elector must vote the way of their district results; require state issued, photo id with proof of citizenship, for voters...
     
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    There is reason to believe that the mayor of San Juan, as well as other Puerto Rico mayors, received timely hurricane aid from FEMA, and then hoarded those supplies.
    https://dailycaller.com/2017/10/09/...cused-of-preventing-aid-from-reaching-people/
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-san-juan-mayor-relief-efforts-trump-look-bad/


    Not sure what exact shenanigans you are talking about, but pulling us out of TPP and NAFTA were things that he ran on and was elected on. That's certainly a big difference between the business world and government officials: in the business world, people tend to do the job that they were hired to do.
     
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    Getting a bit desperate for good news are we?
     
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    :applause:

    One of the best posts I have ever had the fortune to read!
     
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    In all fairness, was it not once once stated on the part of yourself that the firearms culture of the united states was threatening to influence the elections and government of the nation of Australia, by motivating the younger generations to support politicians who would vote to rollback the various firearm-related restrictions of the nation, so that it might more closely resemble the united states in that regard?
     

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