Require immigrants speak English?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Ronstar, May 17, 2018.

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Require immigrants speak English?

  1. No, this is a free country and they can speak whatever language they like.

    9 vote(s)
    23.1%
  2. No, but require English be the language of official govt. business.

    18 vote(s)
    46.2%
  3. Yes, this is America and you should only speak English!!!!

    2 vote(s)
    5.1%
  4. Speak your language at home, speak English in public!!!!

    14 vote(s)
    35.9%
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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You participate in a forum..as a member even, that requires english. Can you explain the hypocrisy of joining a group that you so strongly disagree with?
     
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    not2serious Well-Known Member

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    It is simple. Why did they move here? When in Rome, do as the Romans do, or don't go to Rome!
     
  3. not2serious

    not2serious Well-Known Member

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    SHHHHHH, he never noticed. Good post, no GREAT POST!

    Perhaps he should get on a mandarin Chinese board instead of this English only board.
     
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    not2serious Well-Known Member

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    I AGREE!!!! That is why the populace need to be armed.
     
  5. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    haha exactly...youll get punished here for even daring to speak mandarin. Ssshh, lets see if Ron takes his stop english only fight...to the forum rule makers.
     
  6. Pollycy

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    Thank you for the suggestion... I can pick up a used copy of "Ominous Parallels", in good shape on Amazon, for less than ten bucks delivered. Although I do see some parallels between the Weimar Republic and the United States of today, there aren't so many, the chaos is not nearly so severe, and instead of having a disastrous economy, we Americans seem to be enjoying a real increase in economic activity.

    As far as comparing contemporary spoken "American English" with German... well, I speak both. I don't know any Germans who speak in the idiotic, disjointed, simple-minded way that many of we Americans issue our peculiar, moronic "America-speak"....

    What I might suggest to you is a re-read of Orwell's classic, "1984", and, oddly enough, "Childhood's End", by Arthur C. Clarke. I sense that you have surely read both of these masterpieces, but you may not have read either of them again since before being an undergrad.

    Sadly, whether relatively-erudite German, or, dumbed-down American, I fear that, indeed, "the stars are not for man".... Cheers!
     
  7. AlNewman

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    No poo Sherlock, keep it up and you could be a detective. If it didn't sound different it wouldn't be a dialect.



    Mao killed between 40 and 70 million humans so am I impressed that he dictated other things. Mao was a diseased mind that was put into power by the US and their little shadow, Britain.

    But you have made a very good point here, once a tyrant starts with the little things like language, there is no limit as to how many will be dead before it is all over.
     
  8. AlNewman

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    You do know Jefferson has been dead since 1826 don't you? With all the subjective views you have used so far, I doubt seriously you have any objective views of Jefferson. I know from my studies, you don't "got him" in any regards to education. Of all the founders, Jefferson was undoubtedly the best educated. And when I refer to founders, they are the people that signed the Declaration of Independence but that is a whole different topic. Jefferson loved languages reflected in his ability to read and speak numerous languages.

    Again with the propanganda, people do not like to be around people like themselves. They like to be around people with like interest, a whole different proposition.


    The author should have stopped at the second sentence. About as scientific as economist, therefore I leave all the sociology propaganda to the socialist. I prefer the scientific approach of philosophy and psychology, the two big Ps.
     
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    That would depend, is the publisher a government monopoly? Is the work being publish under copyright were no one else can publish? Is the work of a nature that would benefit all but the publisher restricts the knowledge to his chosen subset?

    Sort of why the bible is published in as many languages as those desiring its message.

    And you're still just dancing around trying to find a way to justify that which is unjustifiable.
     
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    Wow, this would take a whole case of toilet paper to clean up. Have you checked your underwear for blood as this was a lot of crap to spew in one post. You should perhaps sit down, relax, eat something to get your strength back for the next round. Maybe a large glass of Metamucil would help.

    By the way, none of your poo has anything to do with the subject at hand.
     
  11. AlNewman

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    It would be what the world deserved so why not?
     
  12. BillRM

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    It seem you are breaking all manner of rules of this website dealing with personal attacks to say nothing of you not addressing any of my points.

    Shame on you.
     
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    Good luck on the read, it is really tough to get past all the stage setting on philosophy before the meat arrives. Took me almost a year with many restarts before it became something that I couldn't put down.

    Ominous Parallels is a story that has yet to reach it's conclusion. And seem is the operative word as this economy is on the brink of collapse. This time will make the great depression look like a minor correction. You are believing the propaganda smokescreen and not the back stories but that is another topic.

    There are three different English languages; street slang, formal English and legal English. Due to the ignorance of the unwashed masses, formal English is under attack, like the word "marriage", forever destroyed. It is an intentional destruction of the language, the default language of the world especially in critical communications among nations like air traffic control. Legal English is why many have failed before the law like the word understand. Most think that means comprehend, but that would be a fatal error. I would suggest looking up, marriage, understand and understood in a good legal dictionary. I prefer Black's, anything prior to the 6th Edition where citations started being eliminated (any wonder today's lawyers are idiots, they have a definition but no citation to confirm the circumstances under which that definition is used.

    But what I think you fail to understand by comparing English to German is that English has no native tongue. England was conquered by anyone that happened to be in the neighborhood. English is a language established with words from just about every other language in the world and now by the mentally challenged we have in the population today. If you but go back to the original 1828 version of Webster's Dictionary, you will find that Webster's goal was not the development of language but the documentation of the street language then in use. But language seems to be the only principle the Germans refuse to bend, most more than a little.

    Actually I just read "1984" a couple of years ago and just this year purchase my own copy for prosperity. I have never read "Childhood's End" and doubt I ever will. If I add it to my list now, I doubt I have enough years to get to it. "1984" was interesting but Carrol Quigley had already broken the mystery.

    i don't agree with your assessment of Germany, they have been dumbed down to an even greater degree than America. It has all been on purpose, an unintelligent population is an easy to control population. Even Americans are not dumb enough, yet, to accept the crap the German people take from Merkel.
     
  14. AlNewman

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    Let's start at the beginning, Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person) This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. I must admit that most of your posts take a long stretch of the imagination to be called an idea but it's all we got.

    I did address every point of your post, crap. Do you have anything to offer that would convince me they are more than crap? I thought not!
     
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    Not especially, But the cold war was no picnic.
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    White supremacists controlled the world before Hitler. Wasn't so bad.
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Sure. And he was a bigot who thought Black people were inferior.

    No you are making stuff up again. I am sorry if sociological findings don't support your prejudices.

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    https://www.city-journal.org/html/bowling-our-own-10265.html
     
  18. BillRM

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    LOL I am not even going to try to wake up the seemingly sleeping staff as the ignore function should do the job for me.

    However if one of the website monitor does happen to wake up I would suggest looking at some of your recent postings.
     
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    If that is all you got out of Jefferson, then you haven't a clue. Perhaps a couple of good books would help, like the complete collection of Jefferson's letters. I found them to be very informative, so they are a part of my collection. Your claim doesn't hold water, got anything to back that up? Doubt it.

    Do you have any actual knowledge of anything? I gave you a direct quote from a textbook for Sociology written by those practitioners hoping someone would agree they were a science if they said it enough. If I had continued with the quote, the next paragraph talks about the founder such:


    I would pass on your sentiments to Dushkin Publishing Group but it seems they were sucked up by McGraw-Hill and they don't care. Imagine wanting to be a sociologist (can't for the life of me figure out why) and in the first two paragraphs of your text book it has been revealed that your really going to be a liberal arts major when you thought you were going to be a scientist.

    Have a little problem with tags? Don't associate that Harvard crap to me.

    Political scientist, about as much a science as sociology or economics. Is their no limit to the depravity of today's progressive mind?
     
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    They in all probability read every one of them by now. You did hit the report button didn't you? I must be knowledge though, so many want to ignore.
     
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    I agree that American English should be made the official language of the U.S., and that immigrants to the U.S. should be allowed to remain as a result of visa extensions acquiring citizenship ONLY after demonstrating they have a basic knowledge and ability to communicate using our English language.
    Our immigration laws are greatly outdated. Immigrants, both legal and illegal, to the U.S. or one of its territories should be required to register with an immigration office and report their residence periodically or be deported. Children born to non-citizens should have their birth registered with an Embassy or consulate of the Mothers citizenship if the Father is also proven to be a non-citizen. Deportations should be carried out without delay for those who break our immigration laws.
    I live abroad legally in an Asian country and although not seeking citizenship, I obey the laws of the country I live in, report frequently to the immigration office and annually to acquire a one year visa, communicate in the language of the country, and must prove I have adequate income to support myself for the year of my visa extension with the only assistance given by the local government being contacting the U.S. embassy or a consulate if I suffer any hardship. Fair enough, in my opinion, and nearly 3 decades of living quite happily with the exception of having to file a U.S. tax return each year.
     
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    More nonsense proposed entirely by you and has nothing to do with the OP.

    Yes I'm sure it takes a number of stations to cater to the 12+ million people here illegally.
     
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    The only requirement to speak English is to become a citizen. Should immigrants who plan to stay here learn to speak the common language? Of course they should it does them no favor not to do. Should they demand we make some type of accomodation for them, nope.
     
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    That is about the most unamerican thing ever. Of course THEIR lives would be easier speaking the dominate language in their new country. But I am sure the children will speak English. It just takes time.
     
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    Standardization. I do agree, I don't want legal documents in a language that I don't understand. I would never sign a legal document in Spanish or German or Chinese. I don't want the government to have to make translations in dozens of languages. English is the standard for our legal system.
     

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