Roe Vs. Wade should be overturned

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Joe knows, Sep 1, 2021.

  1. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    No I’m making this claim because I believe if left alone it would make a viable human thus killing it takes life away. If science can find a parasite on Mars and call it life, I can look at a beating heart in the womb of a mother and call it life as well.
     
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    So you are saying that at the time of an abortion the fetus is not yet a human person. Right?
     
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    What I’m saying is I don’t care what you or anyone else calls it. I call it human life.
     
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    Killing a tonsil takes the life away from living cells too.


    You are probably referring to the "heart beat" law some states are now using to ban most abortions. But the concept is very deeply flawed. So tell me, is this a beating heart?.....
     
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    So you say your unsupported opinion is all that matters. And that is why your position is rejected and opposed by thinking, balanced people interested in truth.
     
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    From the moment of conception it is a human life, and it is exactly what a human being looks like at that stage of development. Pro-abortion advocates can make a legal argument for their position, but no one can make a moral pro-abortion argument. Abortion is objectively immoral.
     
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    If you are saying that at conception the zygote qualifies as a human being, you are sorely misinformed. You cannot find any medical or legal authority or treatise that agrees. This is purely and only your own personal, speculative opinion with no substantiation.
     
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    The lawmakers make whatever arguments or legal distinction they want about the status of a zygote - call it a tomato if they want - but it doesn't make a bit of difference to the immorality of killing a human life. It's immoral, and maybe pro-abortion advocates are willing to live with that guilt or ignore it for their convenience....I am not..
     
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    To you it may be but your morals are not everyone's...and you do NOT rule on what is or isn't moral..

    ....morals change from person to person, time to time, place to place....as ephemeral as a fart in the wind..


    Do you intend to stop dancing, gambling, getting a blood transfusion, medical aid, or drinking because someone be else thinks those things are immoral??
     
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    Aren't women human life?????
     
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    So what if it's "life" ???


    That doesn't mean women have no rights !!

    It doesn't mean that it can harm others.
    It doesn't mean it can kill others.
    It doesn't mean it can use another to sustain it's life....NO ONE CAN DO THAT ...



    WHY do you want a ZEF to have more rights than every other "life" on earth????
     
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    Are you talking about abortion or welfare?
     
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    I don't rule on what is moral or immoral, that is up to God. One of Christianity's core theological elements is the sanctity of human life.

    And, no I don't try to force morality on others, I speak for myself. Everyone else will have to justify their own beliefs and actions.
     
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    Bearing a child does not negate their right to life as well. I agree that in a circumstance of possible death they have that right
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    So what if it's "life" ???


    That doesn't mean women have no rights !!

    It doesn't mean that it can harm others.
    It doesn't mean it can kill others.
    It doesn't mean it can use another to sustain it's life....NO ONE CAN DO THAT ...




    WHY do you want a ZEF to have more rights than every other "life" on earth????


    Oh, gosh, in a thread titled "Roe Vs. Wade should be overturned"

    you had to ASK !!??


    Or was that your way of DODGING the contents of the post of mine you quoted :)
     
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    From post 256 YOU: "" Abortion is objectively immoral.""




    :roflol::roflol::roflol: Ya, just ask an altar boy ! LOL....or the millions they slaughtered when they wouldn't convert...




    So you don't want abortion banned...
     
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    Being FORCED to bear a child negates their right to LIFE, to their personal life, their freedom, their liberty...


    NO you want a ZEF to have more RIGHT to life , more rights period, than ANYONE ELSE ON EARTH




    WE have a right to kill someone who is harming us even if they haven't killed us yet...
     
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    Ironic that the comment includes "You don't get to kill others
    Yes, killing of innocent human life is immoral. Not because I say it, because God says it.

    No, I don't want abortion legally banned, and I also don't want government to aid and abet abortion either. Let women decide and suffer their own fates.
     
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    Oh, another one who gets messages direct from God....how nice..

    Guess what, your imaginary friend does not rule ...laws do.
     
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    We all get messages direct from God.

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    FoxHastings said:
    Oh, another one who gets messages direct from God....how nice..

    Guess what, your imaginary friend does not rule ...laws do.


    your imaginary friend does not rule ...laws do.


    Too bad Christians read those stones but ignored the "Do not kill " one...


    TOO bad your "god" didn't read it, he seems to have slaughtered lots of people and CREATED MISCARRIAGES
     
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    Christians accept God’s morality, but, because we are imperfect creatures of sinful nature, cannot always obey rules of morality. That is far better than secular leftists who seem to have no moral values at all. How convenient for them, if it feels good do it.
     
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    Ya wanna preach? There's a Religion Forum.


    And to say "secular leftists have no morals at all " ...is rather silly....especially since Christians rather PREACH about morality than act in a moral way...
     
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    There is NO way in which this issue is shredding America EXCEPT for ONE.

    And, that is the way in which the minority demands that writing laws against women be seen as some sort of requirement - more important than addressing actual, real problems that America faces.

    Think about it. Canada doesn't have ANY laws against abortion. In fact, their healthcare system PAYS for it. Yet they have a lower abortion rate than we do!

    If you actually cared about this issue for some reason OTHER than PURE politics, you would notice that.

    AND, you would notice that there are actual reasons that women choose abortion - reasons that could be reduced!!

    You LIKE writing laws against women, BECAUSE of the politics. Otherwise, you would develop approaches like Canada has done.
     
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    The minority is not writing laws against women. That's a red herring. The laws are to protect the unborn child from brutal and blood thirsty adults with no souls.
     

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