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  1. Mac-7

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    I have no idea how to answer such a silly question

    But if that is your lifeline to the EU I’ll take a stab at it

    My guess is that modern cargo ships are pretty fuel efficient thanks to their hull design and probably use less fuel than a trans Atlantic airliner

    But again, if you choose to starve because you fear drowning due to rising sea levels be my guest

    Maybe the experience of these two climate wackos will lift your spirits

    https://www.sbs.com.au/language/eng...and-from-australia-to-reduce-carbon-footprint
     
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    EU beef doesn't come pumped full of growth hormones and it's chickens aren't covered in bleach.
     
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    In a war you have to defeat the enemy where you find them and defend your assests

    China is targeting US farmers and trump is responding
     
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    For our friend philo who is freaked out over global warning that may be a case of one step forward and two steps back:

    https://www.drovers.com/article/facts-about-hormones-and-beef

    Most of the beef produced in the US spend most of their lives in a pasture and are then finished in a feedlot where they are given a grain fed diet. Beef that are finished in a feedlot with the aid of growth hormones require less total land mass, less feed crops and create fewer greenhouse gasses per pound of beef produced compared to non growth hormone pasture based finishing systems.

    Bummer
     
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  5. philosophical

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    Indeed they did. But recognise it as bad,
    but Americans celebrate it as good.
    My ignorance is as nothing compared to yours, you don't even use the word 'free' correctly.
     
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    I am a vegetarian, and personally don't choose to eat dead creatures.
    My comment about food imports was about distance travelled.
    By the way what pollution does the leather industry create?
     
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    I dont know but I bet you are going to tell me

    Have you sworn off leather too?
     
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    https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/chemical_safety/meat_hormones_en
     
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    I respect the EU right to prohibit hormones if they want to

    But after Brexit GB is not bound by that dictate
     
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    Leather usually comes as a byproduct from beef production. So, leather industry pollution bears the share of beef production pollution.
     
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    Of course.
    I don't see how anybody can be a vegetarian and use leather.
     
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    As with all EU regulations the UK chose to accept the ban on growth hormones and bleached chickens.
    In their haste to set up trade deals with the US these regulations will have to be abandonned.
    Taking back control and handing it straight to the US.
     
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    There will be no brexit without a controlled border on the island of Ireland.
    The vote was 'leave' not 'remain joined'.
    (P.S I believe the correct word is 'dictat' not 'dictate'.)
     
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    Imagine

    Shoeless vegetarians in the UK building dikes to save themselves from rising sea levels
     
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    If you say so

    Its your language

    As for the US selling food to the UK its only one option you have

    And in your case at least does not appear to be a very good one

    But I think its just a red herring

    Why wouldnt the greedy euros want to keep selling food to their former subjects?
     
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    This is news to me so I looked it up

    https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/buying-...at-their-poultry-with-chlorine/555618.article

    According to a report from the Adam Smith Institute (which argues in favour of allowing PRTs), “immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%.

    EU chicken samples typically have 15-20%
    salmonella.”

    I’m no expert but thst dont sound good
     
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    Anyway, America is open for business

    If anyone wants to buy our food you know where to reach us
     
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    Mr BoJo's auguries regarding the UK absconding with a modicum of decorum must be regarded in light of his prievious divinations:

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    "HELP! HELP! I'M DROWNING!"
     
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    Not shoeless.
    Here you go:

    https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/
     
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    American's are so ignorant on what is all around them for them to see

    two examples
    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ng-seas-florida-climate-change-elizabeth-rush

    https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4?r=US&IR=T

    It is going to cost them much more to sort out the longer they leave things and many of them are going to end up refugees - be interesting what they think of Refugees when they are back to the position they began.
     
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    This might help you:

    https://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/responsible-living/stories/are-vegan-shoes-eco-friendly

    It cites the indisputable case that vegan or vegetarian shoes are not all eco friendly whilst also comparing them to leather products.
    A (maybe the) significant difference is that animals are not killed for their skins in the production of vegetarian or vegan shoes, and for vegans and vegetarians it is a significant factor.
    I want to remind you that it was you who introduced leather into this discussion.
     
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    No so

    When and where did I do that?
     
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