Rule of law no more

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  1. Mike12

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    One of the hallmarks of a developed country with a prosperous and mighty economy is rule of law operating effectively and efficiently. It’s what keep free speech and free markets working with confidence, it’s also what keeps citizens’ freedoms protected and allows a democracy to flourish.

    the rule of law is under attack, justice system is beginning to show signs of a slow progression towards totalitarianism where justice system works one way for some, different for others depending on political affiliations. This is what we see in russia, venezuela, north korea even china. countries where citizens are no longer free to oppose the state.

    here is how it works:

    1. State, institutions intimidate
    and threaten those who identify as belonging to a certain group. Private companies punish those who hold certain political beliefs. You may not be able to get a job, be publicly shamed and slamdered and possibly be targetted by politically motivated prosecutions.
    2. Elected officials run for office by promising to prosecute and jail political opponents despite not having proof of crimes, they promise to ‘find a crime’.
    3. Other elected officials in power are forced to rule a certain way or face consequences


    We are seeing this with trump. We have a DA who ran for office promising to find a crime. This DA also ran on not prosecuting people for petty crimes and even has let violent offenders off the hook. With trump? He concocts possible misdemeanors and fabricated felonies using never before pursued logic before. So he lets violent offenders go and decides all the resources of ny to go after a political opponent for a 100k payment to a prostitute

    the judge may think all these charges are bogus but he’s an elected official in manhattan and will be forced to rule in one way. Same for all jurors and anyone else who doesn’t convict.

    cowardice has become the norm, few have courage to do what is right at expense of losing so much personally.

    the pendulum swings. I fully expect DAs in red states to start running on prosecuting political opponents and it’s quite easy to get a grand jury to vote as prosecutors desire
     
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    Rule of law is under attack, but by anyone defending Trump.
     
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    This is a bunch of BS. Personally, I don't think you know what the rule of law is. Second, if a person, no matter their station in life, commits a crime, and there is evidence, I expect an indictment, especially if it involves politicians of one sort or another.

    Private companies have the due right to pretty much hire whoever they want. If you live in at at-will state, which ae most states, then they can fire your butt without any cuase, especially if you make yourself a spectacle on social media and it is found out you work for some company. Companies don't want the distraction. There are certain rules companies must follow to make sure they do not violate anyone's rights, the chances are in a majority of companies, your actions while on the job are monitored, closely I might add. But that really does not have anything to do with the rule of law.

    GOP has been promising that sort of stuff since the 1990s. It was part of their platform to "get in touch on crime" and made certain proposals such as "three strikes your out policy" and so forth. The GOP have also been promising to "Lock Her UP" in the 2016 campaign for someone named Trump, but it didn't happen, did it? Was that the rule of law, no but it was a campaigner. slogan. Alvin Bragg may have used that in his campaign, but in the end, he followed where the evidence lead. This go around, he has Michale Cohen and others to corroborate the accusations being made. And hence there is evidence to that effect, and hence why the grand jury indicted Trump, to begin with.

    Rule what way? You mean the judges who are elected? I don't think so.

    Hint, you may want to do some good ole honest research instead of listening to the social media and internet for this type of garbage post.
     
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    You won't get anyone from the left seeing your post for the information it provides. You can't overcome their blind hatred for Trump. Nothing else in the universe matters other than we must get Trump at all cost.

    One thing they better pray for is this indictment has real teeth and not some frivolous law bending claim over Stormy Daniels.
    If this is about Stormy Daniels, What does Bragg bring to the table that the FBI, CIA, 14 Trump hating Democrat Lawyers, the FEC, and two former NY prosecutors never found after 5 years of investigations?

    If this is what it really is, it won't matter how much of a POS you might claim Trump is and their cries of (No one is above the law) is going to fall on deaf ears. It will be viewed as weaponizing law enforcement to go after political opponents by Democrats.

    Anyone who thinks charging an ex president for misdemeanor charges because no one is above the law, have chosen to ignore reality because of their own hate Trump media blinders. They don't care about how this effects this country or how it will further divide the nation.
    They only care about getting Trump at any cost.
     
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    You are correct.

    MAGA and "the left" aren't existing in the same reality.
     
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    How did we wind up with Trump in the first place?
    Oh yeah, the left ran someone so hideous, Trump even won Democrat strongholds.
    You might keep that in mind.
     
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    Hillary was a terrible candidate. They didn't ask me who to nominate. I'm not a registered Democrat.
     
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    And for the very same reasons Trump got into office the first time, its happening right now.
    I don't want him even running.
    How did you think this would be received?
    If this is some twisted legal term over Stormy Daniels, they just helped elect Trump again.
    You should be against this just as much as being against what Comey did to Hillary.
    Arresting an ex president on misdemeanor charges while running for office?
    This is a dark day in this countries history.
    There are things much more important than just getting Trump.
     
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    I do not care.

    Politics should not be part of the justice system's thinking.
     
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    Bragg campaigned on "getting" Trump. Let me repeat (and let it sink in). Bragg campaigned on "getting" Trump.
     
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    On that we both agree
     
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    yes.

    DA's often run on bringing crime families to justice.

    The mob always claims it's a witch hunt.
     
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    If you want to talk about crime families, let's not exclude the Biden family.
     
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    I'm just glad that you acknowledge that the Trumps are a crime family.
     
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    Rule of law, will determine that, right?
     
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    Rule of law will determine if any of them get convicted.

    Trump is a criminal whether he ends up convicted or not.

    Just like OJ is a murderer.
     
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    A jury of OJ's peers decided otherwise.
     
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    Clearly, their decision has no bearing on my opinion.
     
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    Rule of law, remember.
     
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    Yes, OJ didn't go to jail for murder because of the rule of law, but OJ did kill Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.
     
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    That's how our system works, your sour grapes notwithstanding.
     
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    What Rule of Law?

    'Hillary as secretary of State shared classified material through emails with donors to her fake charity. Many donors were foreigners. James Comey' told the world on July 5, 2016, “From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 email chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received.

    'Obama used the FBI to spy on Donald Trump. This really was Watergate on steroids. The national press defended the spying and awarded Pulitzers to the bums who carried the most water for the disgraceful Barack Hussein Obama.'

    'And when it comes to classified material, no one has abused his access to it better than Biden. He not only took home boxes of it each weekend to his mansion in Delaware, but he “unmasked” people the FBI spied on and read transcripts of what the people said when spied upon.'

    'The FBI sat on the Hunter Biden laptop and paid social media outlets to censor references to it. Their in-kind contribution to the Biden campaign.'

    'The Rule of Law now definitely depends on Republicans. They need to prosecute the sedition, bribery and perjury that runs rampant in our nation’s capital.'

    'A good beginning would be the indictment of the Biden Crime Family. No one is above the law, not Hunter, not Hallie, not James, not Ashley, not Dr. Jill, and especially not Joe. When they indict one of ours, indict 7 of theirs.'

    Republican Prosecutors, empanel the Grand Juries!
     
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    Pootin and Xi are rolling on the floor...
     
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    Awful lot of sad words defending a traitor and not even reading a single indictment yet. LOL

    Better get lots of tissues bruh, more indictments are coming. Thoughts & prayers to ya and your boy, trump.
     
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    Bragg's timeline of Trump election-influence allegations doesn't add up: Ex-federal prosecutor.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=andrew+mccarthy+bragg&df=d&ia=news

    'New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg's election interference–based prosecutorial reasoning against former President Donald Trump should be considered flawed if the true timeline of the NDA payments to Stormy Daniels was examined.'

    'Bragg claimed Trump's alleged wrongdoing deceived voters in the 2016 election.'

    'The problem is that the related indictment counts occurred months after Trump was elected president.'

    '"The indictment then goes forward with all these counts that begin on Feb. 14, 2017, and continue until Dec. 5 of 2017. That's all months after the 2016 election."

    "So even if you take it the way that he pleads it, how could this conceivably have affected the 2016 election?"

    It appears this Grand Jury is even dumber than a house full of Braggs.

    'non-disclosure agreements are a "staple of civil litigation," and no matter Bragg's opinion on them, it is legal to keep information from the public.'

    'Therefore, Bragg must continue to claim Trump attempted to influence elections with allegedly false bookkeeping entries.'

    "The problem is the election was over for four months before the book entries started,"

    "[W]hat he's essentially saying is Trump took a bunch of actions in 2017 in an attempt to defraud the voters four months earlier."
     
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